Credit to all the players who clear content without third party programs

[VerdeLuck]

i know this is a troll post, but there are some casual players who truly believe this stuff… which is ironic because they always advocate about how anyone should be able to play the game, right? including those with disabilities that need third party tools. i have a friend who has severe vision problems - they use mods to change the UI color and make it bigger and clearer so they can see. this game’s default ui setting is absolutely garbage, and forces those with vision issues (color blind folk too) to resort to mods.

there are other disability programs out there too. how do the “anti- addon” brigade preach about how everyone should be able to do content,then immediately exclude the group of people who need it the most.

Most people who don't use addons just don't want them to become required. I personally wouldn't want this to be like WoW where in order to complete harder content I would have to look up guides, rotations, builds, which covenant to join, install dps meters, install weakauras, etc just to even try to prog the content. I just want it to stay like it is where most rotations can be figured out by someone sitting at a training dummy reading their skills and trying out a couple different rotations to see how they interact. The level of optimization people are talking about with all of these parsing addons and guides aren't needed to clear the content, even for savages. It's great and hopefully the game stays that way.

Having to install x addons or you get kicked and whispered racial slurs is the worst part of WoW and their community around content and raiding, and something that would be awful if it made its way over here.

[Zomkei]

Most people who don't use addons just don't want them to become required. I personally wouldn't want this to be like WoW where in order to complete harder content I would have to look up guides, rotations, builds, which covenant to join, install dps meters, install weakauras, etc just to even try to prog the content. I just want it to stay like it is where most rotations can be figured out by someone sitting at a training dummy reading their skills and trying out a couple different rotations to see how they interact. The level of optimization people are talking about with all of these parsing addons and guides aren't needed to clear the content, even for savages. It's great and hopefully the game stays that way.

Having to install x addons or you get kicked and whispered racial slurs is the worst part of WoW and their community around content and raiding, and something that would be awful if it made its way over here.

ignoring the fact that this doesn't really have anything to do with the UI mods for disabilities i was talking about in my original post... you obviously don't know much about ACT if you're saying "all these parsing addons". ACT is just something to calculate your numbers so that you can improve or see who is holding the group back. numbers matter in savages, as there are DPS checks. straight up cheating is one thing and should be banned, but most of the people being effected are getting hit due to innocent things like small UI changes so they can see better - or chat bubbles. ACT inherently isn't bad, it's only bad to those who do not want to improve. i have been playing for a /very/ long time, and ACT has pretty much been around all of ARR, and i can count on my fingers the total amount of times someone has been toxic due to numbers.

and to go into wow, i can also count on my fingers the many times someone has been toxic about numbers, and i have played from BC up to MoP in the raiding scene - both pugs and statics. most of the time, people try to help when someone is holding back the group, and if you think that is toxic then I can't help you.

also, if someone calls you racial slurs just report and blacklist? i feel like people exaggerate the toxicity in WoW and pretend XIV is without it's own toxic players. (usually toxic casuals lol)

[VerdeLuck]

ignoring the fact that this doesn't really have anything to do with the UI mods for disabilities i was talking about in my original post... you obviously don't know much about ACT if you're saying "all these parsing addons". ACT is just something to calculate your numbers so that you can improve or see who is holding the group back. numbers matter in savages, as there are DPS checks. straight up cheating is one thing and should be banned, but most of the people being effected are getting hit due to innocent things like small UI changes so they can see better - or chat bubbles. ACT inherently isn't bad, it's only bad to those who do not want to improve. i have been playing for a /very/ long time, and ACT has pretty much been around all of ARR, and i can count on my fingers the total amount of times someone has been toxic due to numbers.

and to go into wow, i can also count on my fingers the many times someone has been toxic about numbers, and i have played from BC up to MoP in the raiding scene - both pugs and statics. most of the time, people try to help when someone is holding back the group, and if you think that is toxic then I can't help you.

also, if someone calls you racial slurs just report and blacklist? i feel like people exaggerate the toxicity in WoW and pretend XIV is without it's own toxic players. (usually toxic casuals lol)

Damn, you really ignored everything I had to say just to repeat some lie about "toxic casuals".

[Zomkei]

Damn, you really ignored everything I had to say just to repeat some lie about "toxic casuals".

toxic casuals is not a lie, sorry to burst your bubble. and i did not ignore everything you had to say. if anything, you ignored what i wrote, as i was just talking about UI mods for disabled folks, i wrote nothing about "all these parsing addons" being required. you brought up ACT, i explained to you what ACT is since you apparently didn't know much about it.


edit: this is a genuine question - but what kind of addons do you think people would want to be required for savage content? the biggest issue folk have is with misunderstanding what ACT is. the plugins that are getting people banned are cosmetic, which wouldnt be required even if this game was designed around plugins.

just to note, most groups require you to look up your rotations and guides for savage fights and beyond in XIV, so we're going to leave that out.

[Semirhage]

Damn, you really ignored everything I had to say just to repeat some lie about "toxic casuals".

Would you rather:

1) players be punished for harassment
2) players be punished for having plugins at all, while having them on stream, while bothering nobody and creating expectations for nobody

Because the toxic casual playerbase has sworn up and down it's the former, and have only ever behaved like they want the latter.

It's not that you guys don't want mandatory addons. You don't want them to exist. At all. And you're using "potential harassment" as a smokescreen for your need to burn books.