Is this the BEST they could come up with?

[Answa]

Yeah, thank god that time only lasted like 2 months of the game's life and the game is now well over a year old and bringing this up is totally not a red herring to distract from a problem by browbeating people into feeling guilty because it was much worse for you back in the day like you're some kind of old man who lived through the German bombing raids of London during World War II....

Holyrunningsentence,Batman.

Anyway, were you allowed to recover MP with your weapon out back then? I know one could recover while moving, but not quite if you could while in active mode. I don't think you can in almost any MMO. So the point of wanting to do something while recovering MP is... stupid.

[Chozo4]

That recover barely the cost of one spell and have a cooldown...yeah...that's solving the problem...

Then simply invest in the higher end ones if you cannot make them as they are still relatively cheap on the wards save for the elixer...

--> Ether [100mp], Hi-Ether [300mp], Mega-Ether [600mp], Elixer [1050mp]

On top of that you have 'Blissful Mind', 'Auto-Refresh', 'Shroud of Saints', plus the enhanced variations and that's just conjurer. One shouldn't be having so much trouble with MP management given all the options available providing one actually uses them effectively.

[Kiroh]

Then simply invest in the higher end ones if you cannot make them as they are still relatively cheap on the wards save for the elixer...

--> Ether [100mp], Hi-Ether [300mp], Mega-Ether [600mp], Elixer [1050mp]

On top of that you have 'Blissful Mind', 'Auto-Refresh', 'Shroud of Saints', plus the enhanced variations and that's just conjurer. One shouldn't be having so much trouble with MP management given all the options available providing one actually uses them effectively.

Provided by mp, you're talking about CNJ, yes.

[Kiroh]

Holyrunningsentence,Batman.

Anyway, were you allowed to recover MP with your weapon out back then? I know one could recover while moving, but not quite if you could while in active mode. I don't think you can in almost any MMO. So the point of wanting to do something while recovering MP is... stupid.

Actually you still can't recover mp with your weapon drawn. And yeah the weapon skills didn't even recover that much mp to begin with. But that was also back when you couldn't cast spells without your weapon drawn, so it was something to do in between casts.

Still, it was a way to deal at least some damage without burning through your mp like you have to now.

[Answa]

Actually you still can't recover mp with your weapon drawn. And yeah the weapon skills didn't even recover that much mp to begin with. But that was also back when you couldn't cast spells without your weapon drawn, so it was something to do in between casts.

Still, it was a way to deal at least some damage without burning through your mp like you have to now.

I know you can't. That's why I'm asking if we were able to.

Anyway, there was really no point to those attacks in parties, just duos or when soloing. I dunno, I had fun with Levinbolt and stuff, but I don't think it's a big deal. The game is so different now and I'm used to it, as well as like it. A lot.

[Rhomagus]

In regards to the old way of things being redundant....

Fire I, Fire II, Fire III
Water I, Water II, Water III
Stone I, Stone II, Stone III
Lightning I, Lightning II, Lightning III
Aero I, Aero II, Aero III
Blizzard I, Blizzard II, Blizzard III

Cure I, Cure II, Cure III
Protect and Shell (Rarely ever cast separately, one or the other being a drain of MP. Putting them together was more MP and time efficient.)

Having three of the same spell was most definitely redundant. You had so many of the same spell that you couldn't fit all of the spells you earned on the action bar.

That's only the mages. If you include cross classing abilities like Ferocity and Raging Strike they were practically the same thing. Trimming the fat from all classes by creating base skills and abilities that scale with your level progression keeps old abilities (like Cure I and Fire I etc.) from becoming useless while still leaving room for an eventual level cap raise for more interesting and unique abilities later on. I was apprehensive at first and I still believe that they should open up the classes to being able to equip everything that you've rightfully learned but it was by far the smartest move they made to making the game more fun while still keeping it strategic.

This really is the beginning though as the cap is still only 50. I'm excited to see the classes/jobs develop as the game matures. I'm also excited to see new class abilities and how they can be utilized on the original seven classes.

I'll be expecting cookies Ant.

[Kiroh]

I know you can't. That's why I'm asking if we were able to.

Anyway, there was really no point to those attacks in parties, just duos or when soloing. I dunno, I had fun with Levinbolt and stuff, but I don't think it's a big deal. The game is so different now and I'm used to it, as well as like it. A lot.

Meh, I rather like having some variety in my games. Using the same 15 skills for 50 levels is not what I consider exciting or fun.

[Antanias]

I'll be expecting cookies Ant.

<--gives Rho some cookies

[Kiroh]

In regards to the old way of things being redundant....

Fire I, Fire II, Fire III
Water I, Water II, Water III
Stone I, Stone II, Stone III
Lightning I, Lightning II, Lightning III
Aero I, Aero II, Aero III
Blizzard I, Blizzard II, Blizzard III

Cure I, Cure II, Cure III
Protect and Shell (Rarely ever cast separately, one or the other being a drain of MP. Putting them together was more MP and time efficient.)

Having three of the same spell was most definitely redundant. You had so many of the same spell that you couldn't fit all of the spells you earned on the action bar.

That's only the mages. If you include cross classing abilities like Ferocity and Raging Strike they were practically the same thing. Trimming the fat from all classes by creating a base skills and abilities that scale with your level progression keeps old abilities (like Cure I and Fire I etc.) from becoming useless while still leaving room for an eventual level cap raise for more interesting and unique abilities later on. I was apprehensive at first and I still believe that they should open up the classes to being able to equip everything that you've rightfully learned but it was by far the smartest move they made to making the game more fun while still keeping it strategic.

This really is the beginning though as the cap is still only 50. I'm excited to see the classes/jobs develop as the game matures. I'm also excited to see new class abilities and how they can be utilized on the original seven classes.

I'll be expecting cookies Ant.

Considering that all those "Redundant spells" cost LESS MP, and were more viable for situations were you don't "OMGWTFCUREBOMBNAO" every 5 seconds, I'd say we lose a great deal without them in the game.

Also, considering water has NO REPLACEMENT in the game, I'd say any of those spells were far from redundant.

[Answa]

Meh, I rather like having some variety in my games. Using the same 15 skills for 50 levels is not what I consider exciting or fun.

Technically, you use the same 15 abilities in level 50 from then on. Until then, you get them slowly.