If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

[Myrany]

If you don't want to do the content, why engage in this thread? It clearly doesn't affect you or your playstyle. Your numbers are irrelevant outside of said content.

Because I am tired of all casuals being called bad or toxic when we are not. Because if you read what I actually wrote I am NOT saying don't put a parser in the game. I am saying allow people to opt entirely out of it if it is put in the game.

Do you really want this to be an echo chamber of like minded people or an exchange of ideas? Because weather you like it or not a parser being put in the game will affect all players not just high end raiders. So where is the crime in a non-high end raider voice their opinion?

[anhaato]

And who are these totally not imaginary people publicly talking about parses in normal content? Besides, if people see your data but don't say anything about it, why do you care? Hell, even if someone does try to tell you your parse why do you care? Just say "didn't ask" or ignore them, it's not hard. The solution to not engaging with parsing is... not engaging with parsing, not trying to get parsers banned. I reiterate, the world doesn't revolve around you.

Edit: Ok, then say that to begin with for the love of god!

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Am I seeing MY parses or having them spewed back to me by someone else? No, therefore it does not set off the crap that ruins games for me.

Then the better of saying that is "I don't really have needs or desires to know and/or measure my own performance in detail."

The person you're replying is not wrong regarding all the recommended rotations were made by the assistance of parses. To know which rotation works best. To know where to slot in their cooldowns to maximize the gain from those limited window. To tell which gear stat builds works better for X or Y rotation. Parse are used to figure out all those questions. From this point of view, looking up those rotations then saying you have 100% nothing to do with parses doesn't makes sense.

Move along mate, have fun with your game. You are not a 'toxic casual'. You are a 'casual'. There's the difference between the two.

[Shurrikhan]

I look up my rotations.

I simply refuse to have anything to do with parsers.

Though potency per second spreadsheets suggest the best rotations, since tooltip potencies aren't always correct to in-practice damage or healing outputs (see, for instance, Stormblood-era Tornado Kick, which dealt ~30% more potency than was stated) and spreadsheet rotations don't necessarily include all the nuances of animation locks, the rotations you see in guides tend to have been proven out, ultimately, by parsers.

What we know about stats? Comes from parsers.

What we know about how animation locks precisely work or how to best deal with the game's netcode (even within default means)? Likewise comes from third party tools.

Escaping them altogether is probably not possible, but hey, we certainly can (and should) make that UI element itself able to be hidden.

I do not want to see one or have anyone else see my parses. I used a parser for years in another game. It absolutely ruined the game for me. I stressed so much if I made the smallest mistake that led me too be even a tiny bit below my optimal. I am done with min/maxing to that level.

This does sound like a failure to moderate yourself. I don't mean to poke fun at that, though; it fact it points out something vital: there are always going to be certain triggers, sour reminders, etc., possible from just how we happen to frame things. While I'm not one to argue for accommodating that in every sense (it's disruptive and generally not even possible), this is certainly one area that can and should be accomodated.


Tl;dr: Yeah, people who have been burned by a particular feature in the past should, where reasonable, have the option to hide that feature as not to experience its affected gameplay through that lens that would otherwise turn them off to it. In this case, that's pathetically easy and wholly sensible to accommodate, so it very much reasonable. The last thing this game needs is more UI elements arbitrarily unable to be hidden.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Because I am tired of all casuals being called bad or toxic when we are not. Because if you read what I actually wrote I am NOT saying don't put a parser in the game. I am saying allow people to opt entirely out of it if it is put in the game.

Do you really want this to be an echo chamber of like minded people or an exchange of ideas? Because weather you like it or not a parser being put in the game will affect all players not just high end raiders. So where is the crime in a non-high end raider voice their opinion?

As someone that has always played this game with no 3rd party addons or tools. I would be OK if they added a parser that only showed your own personal info. I however do not feel like the ones I see in screenshots and videos where it monitors the entire party have a place in this game as the parsing toxicity generally stems from someone looking at someone else's parse info either from usage of the tool in game at that time or from other people uploading parse data not belonging to their character without the player's consent onto 3rd party websites like FFLogs.

[LianaThorne]

Because I am tired of all casuals being called bad or toxic when we are not. Because if you read what I actually wrote I am NOT saying don't put a parser in the game. I am saying allow people to opt entirely out of it if it is put in the game.

Do you really want this to be an echo chamber of like minded people or an exchange of ideas? Because weather you like it or not a parser being put in the game will affect all players not just high end raiders. So where is the crime in a non-high end raider voice their opinion?

You can voice your opinion all you want, just seems kind of pointless to me since you're not even a part of the community that is involved in it. They're not going to put a parser into the game, it's been stated already.

Side note, you must be new here if you think the forum isn't already a permanent echo chamber.

[Myrany]

So many people decided to pick through my posts through a lens of me saying don't put a parser in the game. Y'all are WAY to trigger happy. I did NOT say that. I said if you do put it in the game I want to be able to opt entirely out of it. I don't see my parses and neither does anyone else.

As I have already said I KNOW how the optimal rotations and gearing come to be. Let me refer to the above paragraph and say again I did NOT say don't put a parser in the game. Just that if it is I want to opt entirely out of it with no one seeing my parses.

[Shurrikhan]

So many people decided to pick through my posts through a lens of me saying don't put a parser in the game. Y'all are WAY to trigger happy. I did NOT say that. I said if you do put it in the game I want to be able to opt entirely out of it. I don't see my parses and neither does anyone else.

As I have already said I KNOW how the optimal rotations and gearing come to be. Let me refer to the above paragraph and say again I did NOT say don't put a parser in the game. Just that if it is I want to opt entirely out of it with no one seeing my parses.

I did misunderstand your take originally and have since edited my response. My apologies for the initial misconstruction of your arguments.

Edit: Also needed to correct a typo.

[Myrany]

I did misunderstand your take originally and have since edited my response. My apologies for the initial misconstruction of your arguments.

Edit: Also needed to correct a typo.

TY I really appreciate that.

[Shurrikhan]

TY I really appreciate that.

You're most welcome. I'm sorry for my part in letting things get heated enough that reading comprehension might melt in the process.

In my case, I'd run into a few people who seemed to be projecting their own, rather extreme uses of a given tool or medium onto everyone to assume that what options (or lack thereof) would work best for them would also work best for all.
I still don't know how I missed originally that you were insisting only on not taking away options in either direction. I swear I normally have at least a few more braincells at work.

Hopefully letting things chill at least once per 3-to-10 pages may help things out.