If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

[Semirhage]

Counter counter point:

Third party tools are unfair, and they lead to bullying. Hows that for your victimless crimes.

No they don't. The only evidence FFXIV has provided us is that people who complain endlessly about parsers are thin-skinned and spend their days inventing evil parsing strawmen in their minds to point at as "examples" of bullying.

Harassment. Is. Already. Against. The. TOS.

Unless a toxic casual does it, JK.

[Myrany]

Unless a toxic casual does it, JK.

No you are not JK. You have been on a "toxic casual" rant for pages.

Some streamer was dumb enough to stream with his mods showing. Someone reported and he got busted for it. Predictable. The rule for years has been turn a blind eye until its brought to attention with prove they can verify. Not surprising the streamer paid the price.

Not all casuals are toxic. Not all casuals that want nothing to do with parsers are "bad players." I look up my rotations. I wear the best gear I can get at the time (usually crafted because I am often 10 levels above where I am in the MSQ so cant get appropriate tomestone gear). I give 100% effort in any group content I do.

I simply refuse to have anything to do with parsers. I do not want to see one or have anyone else see my parses. I used a parser for years in another game. It absolutely ruined the game for me. I stressed so much if I made the smallest mistake that led me too be even a tiny bit below my optimal. I am done with min/maxing to that level.

I do MSQ group content. I want to do every raid at the minimal level and no more. I stay in my lane. So if they were to put a parser in I want to not see it and remove myself from being parsed as well. As I do not want to be pushed (and it would for me even if it is someone pointing out my parse on his meter) back into the min/max mentality that destroys MY fun.

Sorry I do not think that is toxic of me hence NOT a toxic casual

Edit: I know full well by this point someone has parsed me. They had the good sense to keep it to themselves so they didn't get busted. That leaves me the illusion of not being parsed. If a parser is in game then the motivation to keep it to themselves is gone and they will say something (even if it is not in a harassing way) and that would destroy things for me.

[Nizzi]

I look up my rotations.

I simply refuse to have anything to do with parsers.

By looking up your rotation, you are having something to do with parsers lol

[Myrany]

By looking up your rotation, you are having something to do with parsers lol

Am I seeing MY parses or having them spewed back to me by someone else? No, therefore it does not set off the crap that ruins games for me.

[anhaato]

And who are these totally not imaginary people publicly talking about parses in normal content? Besides, if people see your data but don't say anything about it, why do you care? Hell, even if someone does try to tell you your parse why do you care? Just say "didn't ask" or ignore them, it's not hard. The solution to not engaging with parsing is... not engaging with parsing, not trying to get parsers banned. I reiterate, the world doesn't revolve around you.

Edit: Ok, then say that to begin with for the love of god!

[Myrany]

So many people decided to pick through my posts through a lens of me saying don't put a parser in the game. Y'all are WAY to trigger happy. I did NOT say that. I said if you do put it in the game I want to be able to opt entirely out of it. I don't see my parses and neither does anyone else.

As I have already said I KNOW how the optimal rotations and gearing come to be. Let me refer to the above paragraph and say again I did NOT say don't put a parser in the game. Just that if it is I want to opt entirely out of it with no one seeing my parses.

[Shurrikhan]

So many people decided to pick through my posts through a lens of me saying don't put a parser in the game. Y'all are WAY to trigger happy. I did NOT say that. I said if you do put it in the game I want to be able to opt entirely out of it. I don't see my parses and neither does anyone else.

As I have already said I KNOW how the optimal rotations and gearing come to be. Let me refer to the above paragraph and say again I did NOT say don't put a parser in the game. Just that if it is I want to opt entirely out of it with no one seeing my parses.

I did misunderstand your take originally and have since edited my response. My apologies for the initial misconstruction of your arguments.

Edit: Also needed to correct a typo.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Am I seeing MY parses or having them spewed back to me by someone else? No, therefore it does not set off the crap that ruins games for me.

Then the better of saying that is "I don't really have needs or desires to know and/or measure my own performance in detail."

The person you're replying is not wrong regarding all the recommended rotations were made by the assistance of parses. To know which rotation works best. To know where to slot in their cooldowns to maximize the gain from those limited window. To tell which gear stat builds works better for X or Y rotation. Parse are used to figure out all those questions. From this point of view, looking up those rotations then saying you have 100% nothing to do with parses doesn't makes sense.

Move along mate, have fun with your game. You are not a 'toxic casual'. You are a 'casual'. There's the difference between the two.

[Shurrikhan]

I look up my rotations.

I simply refuse to have anything to do with parsers.

Though potency per second spreadsheets suggest the best rotations, since tooltip potencies aren't always correct to in-practice damage or healing outputs (see, for instance, Stormblood-era Tornado Kick, which dealt ~30% more potency than was stated) and spreadsheet rotations don't necessarily include all the nuances of animation locks, the rotations you see in guides tend to have been proven out, ultimately, by parsers.

What we know about stats? Comes from parsers.

What we know about how animation locks precisely work or how to best deal with the game's netcode (even within default means)? Likewise comes from third party tools.

Escaping them altogether is probably not possible, but hey, we certainly can (and should) make that UI element itself able to be hidden.

I do not want to see one or have anyone else see my parses. I used a parser for years in another game. It absolutely ruined the game for me. I stressed so much if I made the smallest mistake that led me too be even a tiny bit below my optimal. I am done with min/maxing to that level.

This does sound like a failure to moderate yourself. I don't mean to poke fun at that, though; it fact it points out something vital: there are always going to be certain triggers, sour reminders, etc., possible from just how we happen to frame things. While I'm not one to argue for accommodating that in every sense (it's disruptive and generally not even possible), this is certainly one area that can and should be accomodated.


Tl;dr: Yeah, people who have been burned by a particular feature in the past should, where reasonable, have the option to hide that feature as not to experience its affected gameplay through that lens that would otherwise turn them off to it. In this case, that's pathetically easy and wholly sensible to accommodate, so it very much reasonable. The last thing this game needs is more UI elements arbitrarily unable to be hidden.