If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

[Bobby66]

The question of "can" should never outright preclude the question of "should".

It is a faceless company, can really is the only thing that matters. Should they do such things, I do not think so. Point I am making is that they can and well within their rights to do so.

.....so exactly what i said. play stupid games win stupid prizes but the rules are dumb

Sure it is a dumb rule but let us be real most feedback ia not how x rule is dumb it is more so crying how SE should not punish people for breaking said dumb rule.

[SwingLifeAway]

Point I am making is that they can and well within their rights to do so.

OK, thanks for that startling revelation. Really contributed to the discussion.

[Bobby66]

OK, thanks for that startling revelation. Really contributed to the discussion.

If it was obvious why are people getting upset about being punished for breaking rules? Or better yet why get upset towards the ones doing the reporting.

[SwingLifeAway]

If it was obvious why are people getting upset about being punished for breaking rules? Or better yet why get upset towards the ones doing the reporting.

I'm not here to educate you, and in all likelihood you are not here to be educated either. Maybe you should try actually reading the threads on the issue and take what people say into context, because it's really not rocket science.

[Bobby66]

I'm not here to educate you, and in all likelihood you are not here to be educated either. Maybe you should try actually reading the threads on the issue and take what people say into context, because it's really not rocket science.

I have read the reasoning still does not make sense to me, the intent behind the tools does not negate the fact that a rule was broken. Sure accessibility tools for FFXIV are limited as an example but it is a binary situation. Break a rule someone reports you, you will most likely be punished. The reason for why one broke the rule is moot tbh. One can still advocate for change in the rules without getting upset at those that did the mass reporting or trying to play a victim card for getting reported in the first place.

[SwingLifeAway]

I have read the reasoning still does not make sense to me, the intent behind the tools does not negate the fact that a rule was broken.

Because the rule is not being enforced according to the foundational reason behind its existence. It is being abused and weaponized, which SE allowed and sanctioned by handing out the bans. I do not think it is unreasonable for people to be frustrated when a rule is not enforced for its foundational purpose and instead used to target people who have not harmed any other player, and it is certainly more than reasonable for people to criticize it and call it out. Now if only people didn't try and derail the thread with waste of time arguments like "who cares it's against the rules" which offer absolutely nothing.

[Bobby66]

Because the rule is not being enforced according to the foundational reason behind its existence. It is being abused and weaponized, which SE allowed and sanctioned by handing out the bans. I do not think it is unreasonable for people to be frustrated when a rule is not enforced for its foundational purpose and instead used to target people who have not harmed any other player, and it is certainly more than reasonable for people to criticize it and call it out. Now if only people didn't try and derail the thread with waste of time arguments like "who cares it's against the rules" which offer absolutely nothing.

If it went against the foundational reasoning then the GM team would not have punished them. At the core ot has always been they cannot punish what they do not do not know. People making their rule breaks public is what fostered this weaponized apporch.

You may not like the argument but being against the rules is a valid argument. So if change wants to happen we should focus on why such tools were created, and less about how it is unfair to get punished for breaking such rules.