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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    I'm honestly the kind of person who wants people to tell me I'm trash if I'm genuinely underperforming and not just failing to meet some arbitrary standard that is not actually necessary for the content in question.

    I've seen so many PF groups where people are either leaving or getting kicked due to "not enough DPS" despite the group having been a few percent ahead of the check well into the fight.
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    SwingLifeAway's Avatar
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    Oberon Astraxis
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I'm honestly the kind of person who wants people to tell me I'm trash if I'm genuinely underperforming
    welp too bad nobody ever will because they're too afraid they will get banned
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    Meteon U'mani
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    Hilarious, saying I am "mentally ill" for not showing my FFLogs. It's actually quite disgusting and a totally inappropriate accusation when there are folks really struggling with mental illness. As these responses show, too many of you treat this GAME like it is a professional job. So maybe it is you all who need help? It truly is sad how your lives revolve around DPS numbers and high-end content like you're getting paid for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Mental refers to your ability to function under pressure, and to keep your emotions under control. Tackling something like Ultimate or Savage content takes strong mental, because you have to be able to deal with being wiped or wiping the party 10-17 minutes into a complex fight, without letting it tilt you and affect subsequent pulls.

    Someone like you, who can't discuss the concept of visible DPS numbers without emotionally flying off the handle, just doesn't fit into that kind of environment. People tend to want rational and mature players. No one wants to deal with someone who holds the group back, but is too volatile to approach about the problem. People don't even want to deal with that type of player in casual content either.
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    You indirectly are confessing that you use third party tools.
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I'm honestly the kind of person who wants people to tell me I'm trash if I'm genuinely underperforming and not just failing to meet some arbitrary standard that is not actually necessary for the content in question.

    I've seen so many PF groups where people are either leaving or getting kicked due to "not enough DPS" despite the group having been a few percent ahead of the check well into the fight.

    If you are in a static group, then yes the raid Lead(s) should tell you so that you can try and fix the issues you may have. Not being mean at all. but a serious raid group does not want weak links or people looking to be carried. Again not being mean. Just a little tip from someone who raided for 17 years in WoW. I highly doubt the rules are much different here in FFXIV...well for savages and ultimates that is.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I'm honestly the kind of person who wants people to tell me I'm trash if I'm genuinely underperforming and not just failing to meet some arbitrary standard that is not actually necessary for the content in question.

    I've seen so many PF groups where people are either leaving or getting kicked due to "not enough DPS" despite the group having been a few percent ahead of the check well into the fight.
    I've benefited so much from this on WoW, tbh, especially when returning to a particular spec after a long break. Granted, I already have my own parser there, so it's not that I don't know I'm underperforming, but sometimes guides are no substitute for experience and more tailored advice can be really helpful. It isn't something I'd feel comfortable asking my party members for, typically, unless it's a particular casual run and banter/sidechat is already going, but if they were willing, I would always graciously accept.

    When I was first taking Sub Rogue into Challenge Mode Dungeons back in WoD, for instance, and hadn't played it in mechanically demanding content since WotLK, I'd have people call me out for, say, overly swapping back and forth to provide backup on certain mechanics instead of just trusting the others to do it, or in trying too hard to Rupture spread in multi-boss fights, not sufficiently banking Shadowdance for when we could most exploit its damage, etc. Luckily, some of those times, my party members had also played Sub or at least could see what was happening by the second wipe or so, and were willing to give those pointers rather than shying away from informing me as to how and when I was messing up.

    It was some serious culture shock going from a place where advice, even if unsolicited, is typically taken and at most politely declined to one where it's often considered innately harassment.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 05-17-2022 at 08:18 PM.