If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

[SwingLifeAway]

At this point if someone says they were harassed for their poor dps I’m just gonna assume they deserved it

This attitude is why casuals are so toxic, and is extremely unhelpful if you actually want people to accept ACT instead of being afraid of it.

Nobody deserves to be harassed, it goes both ways. Anyone who harasses other people over their DPS should get banned from the game, end of.

[Shurrikhan]

This attitude is why casuals are so toxic, and is extremely unhelpful if you actually want people to accept ACT instead of being afraid of it.

Nobody deserves to be harassed, it goes both ways. Anyone who harasses other people over their DPS should get banned from the game, end of.

The insistence that informedness can only ever be toxic, that knowledge (at least of any quantitative variety) is inherently and specifically a weapon, rather than merely a variably-purposable tool, also cuts the other of both ways. It makes reports of harassment far harder to verify if "I was informed that I could do X, Y, and Z to perform better AND NUMBERS WERE INVOLVED!" itself counts as harassment. Not that "They didn't stop giving unsolicited advice when asked to do so," not that "They phrased this information in such a way that their first concern seemed to be that I know I was cutting the line by being here unprepared, second that I should feel bad about it, and my improvement only a distant third," but simply that the information itself was given.

The more that people insist that quantitative information is inherently toxic, the harder it is to separate badgering for information, because, to that group of people, the distinction literally cannot exist.

But, agreed. Anyone who harasses other people (full stop) should get banned from the game.

[SwingLifeAway]

The insistence that informedness can only ever be toxic, that knowledge (at least of any quantitative variety) is inherently and specifically a weapon, rather than merely a variably-purposable tool, also goes both ways.

I'd expect this to be common sense, but then I remembered what site I am on.

[anhaato]

This attitude is why casuals are so toxic, and is extremely unhelpful if you actually want people to accept ACT instead of being afraid of it.

Nobody deserves to be harassed, it goes both ways. Anyone who harasses other people over their DPS should get banned from the game, end of.

1. Take a joke
2. VERY RARELY does a player randomly get insulted for their parse. If someone is bringing up dps numbers it’s most likely in response to the person being a cunt and/or blaming the group’s inability to clear on others’ performance without realizing how little they're contributing

[Enjuden]

This attitude is why casuals are so toxic, and is extremely unhelpful if you actually want people to accept ACT instead of being afraid of it.

Nobody deserves to be harassed, it goes both ways. Anyone who harasses other people over their DPS should get banned from the game, end of.

Casuals are toxic because they are enabled. If people are doing previous expansion dps, get called out for it, and STILL have a GM shield them, of course they're not going to care and will openly display how much they want to annoy people because they cannot be punished. MSQ doesn't punish them, normal raid doesn't punish them, 24 mans don't punish them so they can do whatever they want and nothing will ever affect them until the game forces them to care, which will never, ever, ever happen.

They're toxic because they've been enabled for NINE YEARS. Still counting on that timeline by the way.

[DynnDiablos]

Casuals are toxic because they are enabled. If people are doing previous expansion dps, get called out for it, and STILL have a GM shield them, of course they're not going to care and will openly display how much they want to annoy people because they cannot be punished. MSQ doesn't punish them, normal raid doesn't punish them, 24 mans don't punish them so they can do whatever they want and nothing will ever affect them until the game forces them to care, which will never, ever, ever happen.

They're toxic because they've been enabled for NINE YEARS. Still counting on that timeline by the way.

I thought this was a game that was supposed to be fun and you're treating it like a professional job. Players should be punished in MSQ and normal raid content -- why? To appease you?

[Enjuden]

I thought this was a game that was supposed to be fun and you're treating it like a professional job. Players should be punished in MSQ and normal raid content -- why? To appease you?

If you want to make a caricature of my post, that's on you. My opinion isn't popular because it calls out people who do not care, and I'm well aware of that, but you can at least take the post in context instead of use hyperbolic drivel on someone you know nothing about, and will know nothing about.

There's plenty of other games that let you play how you like and do such. This is an MMO. An MMO you play with other people, and progress is to be measured and tested in pve content. A 'punishment' in this case is failing and having to try again at the same difficulty, which if it were me, I would up the difficulty from normal story on MSQ and lock it there, probably up by half of a difficulty. If asking people to play at a decent (not great, decent) level is too much to ask, then there is no helping people.

Is learning an opener, knowing how to aoe and a basic idea of cooldown usage with a better in game tutorial a 'job' to you? I wouldn't have these changes without MSQ/Job quest changes to explain such. If you want the short reason, I think the difference between the lowest and highest is too extreme and that SE is going about it the wrong way in order to fix it, if they're trying at all to do that. I say raising the floor by having people learn to play is the best way to do so.