If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

[Coletergeist]

We needed another thread over this?

[Axxion]

oh another dynn post it has been a while for one hasnt it. Wonder how long will it last.

[weebtext]

Mom says it's my turn to make a ToS thread!

[YukiB]

Yet there are harmful ways to smoke pot that endangers other people, like when you have children and you get stoned like Titan. So even to your precious smoking pot there are nuances of what is right and wrong.

Lets take alcohol for example, in theory a total prohibition which would mean no alcohol at all (not even on the black market) which in this case would be a anti cheat software that actually works (really rare thing...even games with anticheat have hackers galore), would mean that there would be no alcohol related crimes. Like you can't harass people with parses that don't exist in the first place. But a total prohibition would take away from the culture and fun people have. So lets have total freedom then, which would be also bad cause then you basically push also the harmful behavior. Like you see with alcohol, we have total freedom basically which results in violence and people who waste their live and liver and the easy accessibility harms the young people. Which in our case would be basically third party tools being allowed completely and XIV descending into the WoW madness of plugins etc. which cause toxicity and less engaging content, cause a third party tool will tell you what the boss does next anyways so no need to learn it anymore. Not to mention that the amount of harassment would also spike.

So there has to be some middle ground, which is don't talk about it...don't show it and people won't care and SE can't ban you cause they won't know. If you want to smoke pot, you can do it but don't do it in a harmful way that harasses other people and don't put yourself into the spotlight promoting stuff that isn't allowed in theory. Cause both other ways are way worse than this truth between players and SE, which streamers and youtubers destroy slowly with their sloppy attitude.

The "harmful ways to smoke pot" would result in crimes that are already illegal for other reasons.

You missed the big, glaring middle ground that's obvious from your own alcohol analogy. Make it legal but regulate it for health and safety reasons, slap labels on it warning of potential negative effects, and restrict its use.

In this analogy, health and safety would be banning the dangerous stuff like automation (bots, raid callouts), warning labels would be the industry standard "Third-party plugins are not supported by Square Enix blah blah" stuff, and usage restriction would be banning harassment through parsing or openly sharing explicit content. In general, it's exactly what we have now but no more having to sneak a joint (GShade) or edibles (UI tweaks) down your pants when the cop pulls you over for a broken tail light.

[SenorPatty]

Thank you for this wonderful thread OP. Let's parse the results:

Words written: Idk, I just skimmed

People influenced to change their ways: 0

Damage taken after fully reading this : 5 psychic dmg, 0 emotional dmg

Renegade/Paragon points acrrued: +2 Paragon, -3 Renegade

Your (echo chamber) buddies approved.
The addon haters Greatly Approved
The addon users Greatly (but very discreetly now) Disapproved

You have unlocked ending N:[N]obody Cares Anymore.

[Lily_Skye]

I believe FFXIV is very clear where it stands on mods and 3rd party apps. Every six months or so they reiterate their stance which seems to send those openly/discreetly violating the TOS into an uproar. They begin to act like victims (most likely from guilt) and begin to defend violating TOS with their 3rd party apps under the excuses of that high-end raids are designed for them to be used (they aren't) and that what they do doesn't hurt anyone (true but it is still violating TOS).

End of the day, violate TOS, people have every right to report you and you have every right to be banned. Claiming victim now and that you are targeted by toxic casuals when you're the ones streaming with these add-ons openly is a YOU problem, not the folks reporting you problem and I think it goes to show how these add ons DO breed toxicity.

You don't think for a second if they added a parser for DPS people wouldn't gatekeep all content with it? "Oh, well we have FFlogs." Very easy to block and filter yourself out and no that doesn't automatically mean DPS shame. It means, my DPS and how I play is absolutely NONE of your business.

So, continue playing victim. Continue crying into the void. End of the day, those using 3rd party apps and mods that violate TOS are simply doing that...violating TOS...and you truly have no one to blame but yourselves if consequences are handed down.

Agree

I feel violated when someone is parsing my dps, ban them all

[Droxybrobotnik]

I believe FFXIV is very clear where it stands on mods and 3rd party apps. Every six months or so they reiterate their stance which seems to send those openly/discreetly violating the TOS into an uproar. They begin to act like victims (most likely from guilt) and begin to defend violating TOS with their 3rd party apps under the excuses of that high-end raids are designed for them to be used (they aren't) and that what they do doesn't hurt anyone (true but it is still violating TOS).

End of the day, violate TOS, people have every right to report you and you have every right to be banned. Claiming victim now and that you are targeted by toxic casuals when you're the ones streaming with these add-ons openly is a YOU problem, not the folks reporting you problem and I think it goes to show how these add ons DO breed toxicity.

You don't think for a second if they added a parser for DPS people wouldn't gatekeep all content with it? "Oh, well we have FFlogs." Very easy to block and filter yourself out and no that doesn't automatically mean DPS shame. It means, my DPS and how I play is absolutely NONE of your business.

So, continue playing victim. Continue crying into the void. End of the day, those using 3rd party apps and mods that violate TOS are simply doing that...violating TOS...and you truly have no one to blame but yourselves if consequences are handed down.

You do realize most mods are not detectable and that Square actively chooses to not implement an anti-cheat for the sake of the community, right? So your high horse is pretty lame and limping, because a simple don't ask don't tell will be exactly the same as not breaking the ToS for all you know.

[YukiB]

You do realize most mods are not detectable and that Square actively chooses to not implement an anti-cheat for the sake of the community, right? So your high horse is pretty lame and limping, because a simple don't ask don't tell will be exactly the same as not breaking the ToS for all you know.

He, like a lot of the anti-plugin brigade, seem to mald especially hard about streamers adding chat bubbles or garish ambient occlusion to their game. They're doing it in public, and that just riles them up to no end despite it harming nobody.

[Kaurhz]

This is why you read the Terms of Service before you accept them.

People accepted that third-party tools were strictly prohibited, and has always been the emphasis to use them at your own risk and discretion.

[BrokentoothMarch]

This is why you read the Terms of Service before you accept them.

People accepted that third-party tools were strictly prohibited, and has always been the emphasis to use them at your own risk and discretion.

The use of "strictly" is very arguable.