If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

[Saraide]

I believe FFXIV is very clear where it stands on mods and 3rd party apps. Every six months or so they reiterate their stance which seems to send those openly/discreetly violating the TOS into an uproar. They begin to act like victims (most likely from guilt) and begin to defend violating TOS with their 3rd party apps under the excuses of that high-end raids are designed for them to be used (they aren't) and that what they do doesn't hurt anyone (true but it is still violating TOS).

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So what's the problem with that kind of ToS violation?

[YukiB]

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So what's the problem with that kind of ToS violation?

It's against the rulessssss.

Except that people who smoke pot, in a country where it is illegal, usually don't stream and broadcast their crimes lol.

It shouldn't be a crime in the first place, is my point.

[Ranaku]

It's against the rulessssss.



It shouldn't be a crime in the first place, is my point.

Yet there are harmful ways to smoke pot that endangers other people, like when you have children and you get stoned like Titan. So even to your precious smoking pot there are nuances of what is right and wrong.

Lets take alcohol for example, in theory a total prohibition which would mean no alcohol at all (not even on the black market) which in this case would be a anti cheat software that actually works (really rare thing...even games with anticheat have hackers galore), would mean that there would be no alcohol related crimes. Like you can't harass people with parses that don't exist in the first place. But a total prohibition would take away from the culture and fun people have. So lets have total freedom then, which would be also bad cause then you basically push also the harmful behavior. Like you see with alcohol, we have total freedom basically which results in violence and people who waste their live and liver and the easy accessibility harms the young people. Which in our case would be basically third party tools being allowed completely and XIV descending into the WoW madness of plugins etc. which cause toxicity and less engaging content, cause a third party tool will tell you what the boss does next anyways so no need to learn it anymore. Not to mention that the amount of harassment would also spike.

So there has to be some middle ground, which is don't talk about it...don't show it and people won't care and SE can't ban you cause they won't know. If you want to smoke pot, you can do it but don't do it in a harmful way that harasses other people and don't put yourself into the spotlight promoting stuff that isn't allowed in theory. Cause both other ways are way worse than this truth between players and SE, which streamers and youtubers destroy slowly with their sloppy attitude.

[YukiB]

Yet there are harmful ways to smoke pot that endangers other people, like when you have children and you get stoned like Titan. So even to your precious smoking pot there are nuances of what is right and wrong.

Lets take alcohol for example, in theory a total prohibition which would mean no alcohol at all (not even on the black market) which in this case would be a anti cheat software that actually works (really rare thing...even games with anticheat have hackers galore), would mean that there would be no alcohol related crimes. Like you can't harass people with parses that don't exist in the first place. But a total prohibition would take away from the culture and fun people have. So lets have total freedom then, which would be also bad cause then you basically push also the harmful behavior. Like you see with alcohol, we have total freedom basically which results in violence and people who waste their live and liver and the easy accessibility harms the young people. Which in our case would be basically third party tools being allowed completely and XIV descending into the WoW madness of plugins etc. which cause toxicity and less engaging content, cause a third party tool will tell you what the boss does next anyways so no need to learn it anymore. Not to mention that the amount of harassment would also spike.

So there has to be some middle ground, which is don't talk about it...don't show it and people won't care and SE can't ban you cause they won't know. If you want to smoke pot, you can do it but don't do it in a harmful way that harasses other people and don't put yourself into the spotlight promoting stuff that isn't allowed in theory. Cause both other ways are way worse than this truth between players and SE, which streamers and youtubers destroy slowly with their sloppy attitude.

The "harmful ways to smoke pot" would result in crimes that are already illegal for other reasons.

You missed the big, glaring middle ground that's obvious from your own alcohol analogy. Make it legal but regulate it for health and safety reasons, slap labels on it warning of potential negative effects, and restrict its use.

In this analogy, health and safety would be banning the dangerous stuff like automation (bots, raid callouts), warning labels would be the industry standard "Third-party plugins are not supported by Square Enix blah blah" stuff, and usage restriction would be banning harassment through parsing or openly sharing explicit content. In general, it's exactly what we have now but no more having to sneak a joint (GShade) or edibles (UI tweaks) down your pants when the cop pulls you over for a broken tail light.

[Gothicshark]

It's against the rulessssss.



It shouldn't be a crime in the first place, is my point.

Actually ALL smoking should be illegal.

[BaconBits]

Actually ALL smoking should be illegal.

You're making me want to go out and buy a pack of cigs, and I haven't smoked in almost 10 years.

[Axxion]

You're making me want to go out and buy a pack of cigs, and I haven't smoked in almost 10 years.

[VirusOnline]

yoshiP: here you go. just don't get caught, son

[Gothicshark]

I remember those as a kid, they had a sweet sour flavor.

[Shurrikhan]

Actually ALL smoking should be illegal.

Well, shoot.