If you don't like being target for violating TOS...how about don't violate the TOS?

[DynnDiablos]

I believe FFXIV is very clear where it stands on mods and 3rd party apps. Every six months or so they reiterate their stance which seems to send those openly/discreetly violating the TOS into an uproar. They begin to act like victims (most likely from guilt) and begin to defend violating TOS with their 3rd party apps under the excuses of that high-end raids are designed for them to be used (they aren't) and that what they do doesn't hurt anyone (true but it is still violating TOS).

End of the day, violate TOS, people have every right to report you and you have every right to be banned. Claiming victim now and that you are targeted by toxic casuals when you're the ones streaming with these add-ons openly is a YOU problem, not the folks reporting you problem and I think it goes to show how these add ons DO breed toxicity.

You don't think for a second if they added a parser for DPS people wouldn't gatekeep all content with it? "Oh, well we have FFlogs." Very easy to block and filter yourself out and no that doesn't automatically mean DPS shame. It means, my DPS and how I play is absolutely NONE of your business.

So, continue playing victim. Continue crying into the void. End of the day, those using 3rd party apps and mods that violate TOS are simply doing that...violating TOS...and you truly have no one to blame but yourselves if consequences are handed down.

[Semirhage]

Counterpoint- victimless crimes are nonsense, and the TOS enshrining them is equally nonsense, and baying for blood and punishment regarding victimless crimes is the most Gladys Kravitz nosy old lady neighbor behavior I can think of.

[DamianFatale]

Counterpoint- victimless crimes are nonsense, and the TOS enshrining them is equally nonsense, and baying for blood and punishment regarding victimless crimes is the most Gladys Kravitz nosy old lady neighbor behavior I can think of.

Counter counter point:

Third party tools are unfair, and they lead to bullying. Hows that for your victimless crimes.

[Axxion]

Counter counter point:

Third party tools are unfair, and they lead to bullying. Hows that for your victimless crimes.

how does it lead to bulling?

[VirusOnline]

Counter counter point:

Third party tools are unfair, and they lead to bullying. Hows that for your victimless crimes.

counter counter counter point:

i don't need third party tools to tell that ice mage his rotation is the equivalent of a plastic enclosure that holds undesirable objects

[Semirhage]

Counter counter point:

Third party tools are unfair, and they lead to bullying. Hows that for your victimless crimes.

No they don't. The only evidence FFXIV has provided us is that people who complain endlessly about parsers are thin-skinned and spend their days inventing evil parsing strawmen in their minds to point at as "examples" of bullying.

Harassment. Is. Already. Against. The. TOS.

Unless a toxic casual does it, JK.

[Myrany]

Unless a toxic casual does it, JK.

No you are not JK. You have been on a "toxic casual" rant for pages.

Some streamer was dumb enough to stream with his mods showing. Someone reported and he got busted for it. Predictable. The rule for years has been turn a blind eye until its brought to attention with prove they can verify. Not surprising the streamer paid the price.

Not all casuals are toxic. Not all casuals that want nothing to do with parsers are "bad players." I look up my rotations. I wear the best gear I can get at the time (usually crafted because I am often 10 levels above where I am in the MSQ so cant get appropriate tomestone gear). I give 100% effort in any group content I do.

I simply refuse to have anything to do with parsers. I do not want to see one or have anyone else see my parses. I used a parser for years in another game. It absolutely ruined the game for me. I stressed so much if I made the smallest mistake that led me too be even a tiny bit below my optimal. I am done with min/maxing to that level.

I do MSQ group content. I want to do every raid at the minimal level and no more. I stay in my lane. So if they were to put a parser in I want to not see it and remove myself from being parsed as well. As I do not want to be pushed (and it would for me even if it is someone pointing out my parse on his meter) back into the min/max mentality that destroys MY fun.

Sorry I do not think that is toxic of me hence NOT a toxic casual

Edit: I know full well by this point someone has parsed me. They had the good sense to keep it to themselves so they didn't get busted. That leaves me the illusion of not being parsed. If a parser is in game then the motivation to keep it to themselves is gone and they will say something (even if it is not in a harassing way) and that would destroy things for me.

[Nizzi]

I look up my rotations.

I simply refuse to have anything to do with parsers.

By looking up your rotation, you are having something to do with parsers lol

[Shurrikhan]

I look up my rotations.

I simply refuse to have anything to do with parsers.

Though potency per second spreadsheets suggest the best rotations, since tooltip potencies aren't always correct to in-practice damage or healing outputs (see, for instance, Stormblood-era Tornado Kick, which dealt ~30% more potency than was stated) and spreadsheet rotations don't necessarily include all the nuances of animation locks, the rotations you see in guides tend to have been proven out, ultimately, by parsers.

What we know about stats? Comes from parsers.

What we know about how animation locks precisely work or how to best deal with the game's netcode (even within default means)? Likewise comes from third party tools.

Escaping them altogether is probably not possible, but hey, we certainly can (and should) make that UI element itself able to be hidden.

I do not want to see one or have anyone else see my parses. I used a parser for years in another game. It absolutely ruined the game for me. I stressed so much if I made the smallest mistake that led me too be even a tiny bit below my optimal. I am done with min/maxing to that level.

This does sound like a failure to moderate yourself. I don't mean to poke fun at that, though; it fact it points out something vital: there are always going to be certain triggers, sour reminders, etc., possible from just how we happen to frame things. While I'm not one to argue for accommodating that in every sense (it's disruptive and generally not even possible), this is certainly one area that can and should be accomodated.


Tl;dr: Yeah, people who have been burned by a particular feature in the past should, where reasonable, have the option to hide that feature as not to experience its affected gameplay through that lens that would otherwise turn them off to it. In this case, that's pathetically easy and wholly sensible to accommodate, so it very much reasonable. The last thing this game needs is more UI elements arbitrarily unable to be hidden.

[anhaato]

Counter counter point:

Third party tools are unfair, and they lead to bullying. Hows that for your victimless crimes.

Counter counter counter point: gray