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    Droxybrobotnik's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    I believe FFXIV is very clear where it stands on mods and 3rd party apps. Every six months or so they reiterate their stance which seems to send those openly/discreetly violating the TOS into an uproar. They begin to act like victims (most likely from guilt) and begin to defend violating TOS with their 3rd party apps under the excuses of that high-end raids are designed for them to be used (they aren't) and that what they do doesn't hurt anyone (true but it is still violating TOS).

    End of the day, violate TOS, people have every right to report you and you have every right to be banned. Claiming victim now and that you are targeted by toxic casuals when you're the ones streaming with these add-ons openly is a YOU problem, not the folks reporting you problem and I think it goes to show how these add ons DO breed toxicity.

    You don't think for a second if they added a parser for DPS people wouldn't gatekeep all content with it? "Oh, well we have FFlogs." Very easy to block and filter yourself out and no that doesn't automatically mean DPS shame. It means, my DPS and how I play is absolutely NONE of your business.

    So, continue playing victim. Continue crying into the void. End of the day, those using 3rd party apps and mods that violate TOS are simply doing that...violating TOS...and you truly have no one to blame but yourselves if consequences are handed down.
    You do realize most mods are not detectable and that Square actively chooses to not implement an anti-cheat for the sake of the community, right? So your high horse is pretty lame and limping, because a simple don't ask don't tell will be exactly the same as not breaking the ToS for all you know.
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    Yuki Bajhiri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik View Post
    You do realize most mods are not detectable and that Square actively chooses to not implement an anti-cheat for the sake of the community, right? So your high horse is pretty lame and limping, because a simple don't ask don't tell will be exactly the same as not breaking the ToS for all you know.
    He, like a lot of the anti-plugin brigade, seem to mald especially hard about streamers adding chat bubbles or garish ambient occlusion to their game. They're doing it in public, and that just riles them up to no end despite it harming nobody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukiB View Post
    He, like a lot of the anti-plugin brigade, seem to mald especially hard about streamers adding chat bubbles or garish ambient occlusion to their game. They're doing it in public, and that just riles them up to no end despite it harming nobody.
    I don't care your stance on it. Don't do it. It's against the rules. Until the rule gets changed I'm going to report people when I see it. Sometimes it's not about how "harmless" something is. Things are often against the rules for a reason and being dismissive about it just makes you look spoiled and selfish. I'll gladly report anyone I see with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    I don't care your stance on it. Don't do it. It's against the rules. Until the rule gets changed I'm going to report people when I see it. Sometimes it's not about how "harmless" something is. Things are often against the rules for a reason and being dismissive about it just makes you look spoiled and selfish. I'll gladly report anyone I see with it.
    Here's a little pin for you ! Well done, good girl, be proud of yourself. /Sarcasm off
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    Last edited by Stormpeaks; 05-17-2022 at 12:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Here's a little pin for you ! Well done, good girl, be proud of yourself. /s
    Thank you! I am very proud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    I don't care your stance on it. Don't do it. It's against the rules. Until the rule gets changed I'm going to report people when I see it. Sometimes it's not about how "harmless" something is. Things are often against the rules for a reason and being dismissive about it just makes you look spoiled and selfish. I'll gladly report anyone I see with it.
    Everyday I'm thankful I don't raid with people like this.

    Every. Day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza View Post
    Everyday I'm thankful I don't raid with people like this.

    Every. Day.
    You don't raid with people like this because people like this don't raid. The only people who care about being cops over plugins are those who not only don't care about being at a certain skill level, they find the idea that they have room to improve to be straight up offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza View Post
    Everyday I'm thankful I don't raid with people like this.

    Every. Day.
    That's to bad. I'm sure we would get along really well :c
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    I don't care your stance on it. Don't do it. It's against the rules. Until the rule gets changed I'm going to report people when I see it. Sometimes it's not about how "harmless" something is. Things are often against the rules for a reason and being dismissive about it just makes you look spoiled and selfish. I'll gladly report anyone I see with it.
    I hope you report people for Sleeping in a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex or flying a kite in public or sweeping dirt into the street, because rules exist for good reasons.

    The anti-parser rule exists for one reason, and one reason only. It's been stated by YoshiP. FFXIV doesn't have damage parsers because ONE celebrity got harassed with low numbers ONE time years and years ago, and therefore parsers are evil and toxic and should never be allowed in the game.

    So clearly, if someone's using one and not harassing anyone with it, that means it's EvilBadWrong and must be stopped. Because its existence is the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    I hope you report people for Sleeping in a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex or flying a kite in public or sweeping dirt into the street, because rules exist for good reasons.

    The anti-parser rule exists for one reason, and one reason only. It's been stated by YoshiP. FFXIV doesn't have damage parsers because ONE celebrity got harassed with low numbers ONE time years and years ago, and therefore parsers are evil and toxic and should never be allowed in the game.

    So clearly, if someone's using one and not harassing anyone with it, that means it's EvilBadWrong and must be stopped. Because its existence is the problem.
    If it's against the rules I'll report. Not gonna change my stance on it.
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