Do NOT bring Kaiten back

[Vencio]

Just for crying out loud look at the repetitive posts that majority of these individuals are far resistant to go through the changes,

I beg to differ but SAM feels alright the way it is, no further logic needed & I applaud for going through with the change.

I do agree the job does need to be inprovise as every other job & this takes time through trial & error.

Please remain steady & thank you devs for going through this.

[Ceridwen]

Did you... make a new post to whine about new posts?

[Theodric_Thorne]

If you were actually a fan of SAM, you'd understand why we want it changed. You don't, so you aren't, so please kindly go post somewhere else and stop trying to undermine us. This attitude is what led WoW's dev team to believe they were infallible gods, and look where WoW is now. If we don't call out SE when they make a mistake, they will begin to devalue player feedback and start spouting things like "you think you do, but you don't" and run FFXIV into the ground through sheer hubris.

[Ceridwen]

If you were actually a fan of SAM, you'd understand why we want it changed. You don't, so you aren't, so please kindly go post somewhere else and stop trying to undermine us. This attitude is what led WoW's dev team to believe they were infallible gods, and look where WoW is now. If we don't call out SE when they make a mistake, they will begin to devalue player feedback and start spouting things like "you think you do, but you don't" and run FFXIV into the ground through sheer hubris.

I don't think much could make me quit this game, but, "Don't you guys have phones/snicker?" would, in fact, be the end for me.

[Vencio]

On the contrary most you can’t either let go or just are in utter denial,

I am indeed a fan of SAM & while I agree certain abilities could’ve been reworked, merged or remove some, ultimately the latter came to Kaiten & the job still stands to remain strong.

All in all the ultimatum happened,

Kaiten is NO MORE,

Go still play the job as you did, enjoy it & its no reaso to otherwise stop you (only you limit yourself).

I will understand, no matter how hard I try, that people all of a sudden would stop playing a job they were passionate & just are resistant to changes.

[ildranor]

all you need to do is look at the amount of likes on post like yours saying SAM is fine after patch. 0 likes, always. you are in the vast, VAST minority. so just keep quiet stop trying to undermine SAM players trying to get their job fixed.

[Ransu]

OP is a troll. Put him on ignore and move on. He does the same garbage in the balance discord.

[CKNovel]

Please keep the trolling in general discussion.

It's the basic unspoken troll rule of this forum and even the veteran trolls respects it.

[Vencio]

Who said anything about trolling?

I’ve posted my thoughts & point of view,

Yes I have responded to some posts & clearly the mistake I see is non endless petitions for Kaiten. On another note I am bored as well.

You chose to react & respond to my messages when clearly you could’ve chosen not to.

If “likes” measures your status then technically its just an allusion to feel that impulse of taste that hits your brain like Facebook, so no clearly I don’t really care.

Anyway! Why are you all still persistent…?

[Dzian]

It does highlight an issue though. When 1 button can essentially break a job in the eyes of so many players says a lot for the state of the game as a whole.

I mained samurai for 2 expansions 4.0 and 5.0 and was honestly never a massive fan of kaiten. When your using it on every single iajutsu cast then what is it really doing? Nothing it's just arbitrary press to do "normal" damage button.

You could argue its an "increased" damage button but really when your using it on every ianutsu it becomes just "normal" damage. Not fun not impressive.

I agree that it's killed the kenki gauge but that gauge always felt tacked on anyway. Same way so many job guages just feel tacked on.. you could scrap kenki gauge entirely and just put shinten on a cooldown done.

Same goes for pld. Scrap the oath gauge entirely and just bull shelltron on a cooldown...

Sch gauge the same. Brd, ninja, etc etc..

But when 1 button can break a job and the game for many players so much it highlights a much bigger problem with the game..