DirectX 12 or Vulkan update?

[Syntafin]

Ok first we should start this at the Top:
Yes DirectX 12/Vulkan would be a pretty amount of work to be done, but dont forget the benefits.

And if we get it, we may have a good render pipeline on pc? In case of MacOS, I would prefer to go to Vulkan. It will reduce the work.


But why this question?
As maybe some people know, the game works not really well on pc (idk how about Mac, does anyone play on that?), but if I see that this game brings my GPU to 90-100%, something is wrong, I mean yes... reasons:

- DirectX 11
- GameWorks

Booth are not made for modern hardware... and I tested it on two setups now, booth the same result, but the Intel/Nvidia one would burn your money down...


Own PC:
CPU: AMD R9 5950X (yes, not the gaming 5900X one)
GPU: RX 6900XT

Friends PC:
CPU: Intel i9 9900KF
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3090


Booth setups can run the game >300 FPS @ 2560x1440p... not that you want that... but you can!
If someone now thinks "okay, you have >300 FPS and complain about that the game let your gpu run under full load?", I have to say: No I don't...

I capped the FPS on booth setups to 144 (because we use 144Hz displays) and surprise: nothing changes!

Okay, now capping the FPS via the InGame options, changes: None. Oh wait, that's a lie! FPS falls down from constant 144 to 100-120, strange!



But enough rant... a modern render pipeline would be great, I mean the game use Luminous Engine... why not using everything?

I play other games too, with better graphics.... way better graphics, and they never reach this level.


For people who asking:
Intel/Nvidia setup: 20/100
AMD/AMD setup: 5/100

[Larirawiel]

Vulkan API would be propably better. Because it is also available on MacOS and Linux. So the devs would not need to deal with many different APIs.


Cheers

[Terria]

I have 16GB I7 10700kf 3070rtx.My display supports 240hz,i play in fullscreen mode and capping fps works for me,not remember gpu usage game at maintenance now,but i remember power consumption for 240hz was around 230-250 watt,for 120hz 140-160 watt.Game dropping fps in crowded areas,but that happens in every mmo when many players in one place.In Limsa i have around 80-90fps.

[Jin-]

I would be more worried if the game didn't bring either gpu or cpu to limit, like ESO used to be before they updated their backends. 100gpu usage means you are gpu limited in the specific area.

On other hand I would also like to have Vulkan or dx12.

[ZeraSkiratea]

non of the problem you describe is really caused by Direct X 11...



now NVidia Gameworks.. i dunno of there was any noticable improvement in that situations, but also blaming it exclusivly for anything is just wrong


also "burn your money down" unless you talk about eletrical bills, which fair point.. no it wont.. as long as you have an ACTUALL GOOD cooling solution, it will totaly NOT burn your money down




NOW i do not say i do not want either DX12 or Vulkan, but claiming not using them is holding the game back in a major fashion or that the game isnt "optimised for modern hardware" is just.. blattanty misudnerstanding the subject matter, if anything its CBU3 who fucked up, or the people who made their engine. a swap to DX12 wouldn NOT change the GPU utilization peaking all the time(which honestly isnt bad itself in theory) the DX12 renderpipeline as an example, is not only not the only piece that needs to be considerd(the renderpipeline of the engine in particular needs to be considerd as well to eliminated stuff like overdraw etc) but all it does if we break it down is runn steps in parallel that where in series during DX11. the freetime would just be used to render more frames, which is performance increase, sure but the GPU utilisation would be the same.


and the framerate limiter problem you have... thats a fault of the game,not the API, i dont even know how you came to that conclussion

[Syntafin]

non of the problem you describe is really caused by Direct X 11...



now NVidia Gameworks.. i dunno of there was any noticable improvement in that situations, but also blaming it exclusivly for anything is just wrong


also "burn your money down" unless you talk about eletrical bills, which fair point.. no it wont.. as long as you have an ACTUALL GOOD cooling solution, it will totaly NOT burn your money down




NOW i do not say i do not want either DX12 or Vulkan, but claiming not using them is holding the game back in a major fashion or that the game isnt "optimised for modern hardware" is just.. blattanty misudnerstanding the subject matter, if anything its CBU3 who fucked up, or the people who made their engine. a swap to DX12 wouldn NOT change the GPU utilization peaking all the time(which honestly isnt bad itself in theory) the DX12 renderpipeline as an example, is not only not the only piece that needs to be considerd(the renderpipeline of the engine in particular needs to be considerd as well to eliminated stuff like overdraw etc) but all it does if we break it down is runn steps in parallel that where in series during DX11. the freetime would just be used to render more frames, which is performance increase, sure but the GPU utilisation would be the same.


and the framerate limiter problem you have... thats a fault of the game,not the API, i dont even know how you came to that conclussion

1. You should probaly check what GameWorks do
2. With "burn your money down" is the increased electric power meant the Intel/Nvidia combo needed (double/tripple to the other)
3. I never said that the InGame Framelimiter has anything to do with the API, you understood this wrong. The "wanky" FPS is just a sidehit... my main goal to say is: it doesnt care if you use 30/60/120/144/240/>300 FPS, your GPU will be at her limit all the time.

[HollowedDoll]

I mean, I'm pretty sure it's not the full luminous engine being used, but yeah maybe they will.. I mean if GW2 added DX12 support then anything is possible, plus it could help with the graphics update performance wise(?)

Vulkan API would be propably better. Because it is also available on MacOS and Linux. So the devs would not need to deal with many different APIs.


Cheers

You think that the devs care about those platforms? Didn't they break the launcher?

[Larirawiel]

You think that the devs care about those platforms? Didn't they break the launcher?

Maybe they would. Vulkan API has another big advantage: way lower API overhead than DirectX 11. API overhead is very CPU instructions intensive because APIs are computed by CPUs. So in situations, which are limited by the CPU, like Limsa Lominsa it would bring a huge performance boost.



Cheers

[Syntafin]

The API overhead is the big problem in the actual version, they use DX11 (what has an massive overhead already) and GameWorks, what adds a massive overhead again.