They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Klytania]

And with that you've already lost the crux of your argument.

You just acted as an example of the very toxic behavior you assert doesn't exist in WoW or other MMO's. When someone disagreed with you, you immediately ran to their FFLogs to use that to discredit them. You're SERIOUSLY trying to argue that people wouldn't be toxic about other people's DPS numbers when you're toxic over someone disagreeing with you over it?

We're done here.

Maybe it's hard to read through the eyeholes in your fursuit.

I never said people wouldn't use it to be "toxic" (that's such a tumblr blog phrase) I said it doesn't really matter. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

Also, why is looking up someone's stats in a conversation about stats wrong? Especially when they make statements like "It's not needed"

[VerdeLuck]

There's an enormous difference between using someone's lack of credentials to discredit an argument that is directly related to said credentials, and bullying someone in a leveling roulette.

You don't need credentials to argue against having DPS meters in content.
Besides, your arguments that people who don't like parsing and don't parse have bad parses are pretty strange. Of course they don't have logs, or the few logs they have are spotty, because they don't parse. They're not posting anything to sites, all you see are random smatterings of a fraction of their clears that someone else posted.

Also, why is looking up someone's stats in a conversation about stats wrong? Especially when they make statements like "It's not needed"

You're proving the counter argument true, that if logs are readily available, they will be used as a weapon against other players as a way to shame them and try to make them shut up, not to get people to improve.
If you can't even handle the little bit we have now on the forums, how are you supposed to be trusted to not abuse more readily available information?

[Klytania]

You don't need credentials to argue against having DPS meters in content.
Besides, your arguments that people who don't like parsing and don't parse have bad parses are pretty strange. Of course they don't have logs, or the few logs they have are spotty, because they don't parse. They're not posting anything to sites, all you see are random smatterings of a fraction of their clears that someone else posted.

That's the point though. "I don't even use this but you don't need it" is an indefensible position. And yet that's what so many are doing. Weird.

[VerdeLuck]

That's the point though. "I don't even use this but you don't need it" is an indefensible position. And yet that's what so many are doing. Weird.

No one is coming for your ACT, but it is definitely not needed to clear Extremes, Savages, or even Ultimates and shouldn't be seen as necessary. Everything is able to be completed with just the vanilla tools, it's been tested extensively by developers before it goes out the door.

[Semirhage]

You don't need credentials to argue against having DPS meters in content.
Besides, your arguments that people who don't like parsing and don't parse have bad parses are pretty strange. Of course they don't have logs, or the few logs they have are spotty, because they don't parse. They're not posting anything to sites, all you see are random smatterings of a fraction of their clears that someone else posted.



You're proving the counter argument true, that if logs are readily available, they will be used as a weapon against other players as a way to shame them and try to make them shut up, not to get people to improve.
If you can't even handle the little bit we have now on the forums, how are you supposed to be trusted to not abuse more readily available information?

Because. It's. Already. Against. The. TOS.

You guys don't have an argument against having statistics available other than the possibility of toxicity. The virulently toxic casual playerbase -very- proud of their ignorance is damning evidence that there's already toxicity present. It just enables the You Don't Pay My Sub toxic casuals 100%.

Adding a damage meter doesn't suddenly remove harassment from the list of punishable offenses. It's because the casuals want to attack content they don't want to do because they're embarrassed they might not be able to do it.

[Semirhage]

No one is coming for your ACT, but it is definitely not needed to clear Extremes, Savages, or even Ultimates and shouldn't be seen as necessary. Everything is able to be completed with just the vanilla tools, it's been tested extensively by developers before it goes out the door.

And yet we just got some streamer bans just for having ACT. Not harassing people with it. Weird. It's almost like Square and their TOS the toxic casuals love to quote hate the existence of the tool, not what it enables.

[Klytania]

No one is coming for your ACT, but it is definitely not needed to clear Extremes, Savages, or even Ultimates and shouldn't be seen as necessary. Everything is able to be completed with just the vanilla tools, it's been tested extensively by developers before it goes out the door.

Only because you can't. If there was a way to actually get rid of it, you'd vote for it.

[Thi]

A huge NOPE: "Indeed, we’ve only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game’s standard features." - Yoshi P.

Everything that has been released can be beaten with the games standard features is a true statement.

The content isn't the problem, it's the players. People want tools to filter out the players who do not match the standard competency required to clear the content.

Tools or no tools, a party of bad players are not going to clear Savage let alone an Extreme.

[Shurrikhan]

Exactly all of this. You already have a bunch of filters you can have in a PF listing that act as "gatekeeping". Having one more won't cause any issues.

If you want to limit your party to only people who provide x DPS, you should have that right but making that choice also makes your party fill up slower because the higher you go the smaller and smaller the pool gets.

Likewise anyone who doesn't care can make their own PF listing, there isn't a limited number of listings available so it's not like they can keep you from doing content and gatekeep you, just form your own party.

I'd far rather have people filter for something that more directly correlates with performance than that they ask for the absolute maximum ilvl available for a given week such that alt jobs, or even any players who didn't get lucky with Savage drops, are effectively barred.

(Granted, logistically, that probably wouldn't be all that feasible unless the devs added a sharable high score system to one's SSS or the like. An in-game parser, useful as it is for learning and problem-solving once in the given content, does not in itself provide a shareable history/indicator of success useful to forming a group.)

[VerdeLuck]

Everything that has been released can be beaten with the games standard features is a true statement.

The content isn't the problem, it's the players. People want tools to filter out the players who do not match the standard competency required to clear the content.

Tools or no tools, a party of bad players are not going to clear Savage let alone an Extreme.

In that case, no, you're never getting those tools. The developers have said the answer is no and will always be no, no matter how many times you ask.