They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Kolsykol]

Honestly people just gotta let the official dmg meter go.
Yoshi-P has probably been the most clear on this than anything else in regards to mods, and the answer is no.
Lost Ark had a similar situation when it was brought over to the West and people started asking for a damage meter and the game director gave basically the same answer as Yoshi-P.

We already have a parse software, lets just leave it at that.

[Jason_Ashford]

DPS meter is totally irrelevant in dungeons and normal trials or raids, you can die, stand in fire, afk half of the fight and still get a clear.
But in savage/extreme fights where ONE underperforming dps will lead to all group being unable to clear content not having a way to identify that player is just unfair.

"Unfair"? Lmfao, so if players start getting kicked for making one mistake and dying, what will your excuse be? Or when players are blocked from joining extreme/savage/ultimate tier content because their parse numbers don't meet your arbitrary standards? what then?

the whole purpose of prog parties is to LEARN the content. obsessing over numbers and kicking anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards in dps is a toxic mentality, one that will NEVER be given endorsement in this game.

[Kolsykol]

"Unfair"? Lmfao, so if players start getting kicked for making one mistake and dying, what will your excuse be? Or when players are blocked from joining extreme/savage/ultimate tier content because their parse numbers don't meet your arbitrary standards? what then?

the whole purpose of prog parties is to LEARN the content. obsessing over numbers and kicking anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards in dps is a toxic mentality, one that will NEVER be given endorsement in this game.

Well, if you can't clear the content because one dude/duderino refuses to play properly then it's not exactly arbitrary.

That said a DPS meter wouldn't help when you're doing the content, it's better used outside to measure your performance.
Except for identifying who's the problem but tbh I think you can usually do that without a DPS meter if you're actually paying attention and I don't trust the average person to be responsible with that I think in most cases it'd turn into toxicity and harassment...
In the majority of cases too it's because someone is repeatedly dying over and over again, but not understanding your rotation and not having proper gear/ food buffs etc tends to go hand in hand with people who are a problem in that regard.
I've just never felt like I needed a DPS meter to see who the problem in the group is.

[Payadopa]

Hard no. This will only lead to more toxicity.

[Kirundo]

"Unfair"? Lmfao, so if players start getting kicked for making one mistake and dying, what will your excuse be? Or when players are blocked from joining extreme/savage/ultimate tier content because their parse numbers don't meet your arbitrary standards? what then?

the whole purpose of prog parties is to LEARN the content. obsessing over numbers and kicking anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards in dps is a toxic mentality, one that will NEVER be given endorsement in this game.

What is your excuse for people getting kicked/leave the underperforming PF group right now? You are under a misconception that today people are all friendly but if they are given a damage meter then SUDDENLY they all start acting toxic.

PS And the standard is not arbitrary, it's set by the developers who designed the enrage timers.

[hagare]

You can argue against literally every feature in the game with this logic
Let's remove iLvL, ability to lock PF groups based on completion, ability to check someones gear and melds because it "weaponizes dicks"!

so your proposal is, let's add more to it.
Sigh....... this is a good guy with a gun argument all over again

PS: another good argument against, just read the whole thread you made.

[Roda]

"Unfair"? Lmfao, so if players start getting kicked for making one mistake and dying, what will your excuse be? Or when players are blocked from joining extreme/savage/ultimate tier content because their parse numbers don't meet your arbitrary standards? what then?

the whole purpose of prog parties is to LEARN the content. obsessing over numbers and kicking anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards in dps is a toxic mentality, one that will NEVER be given endorsement in this game.

What do you mean "start"? Toxic people have been doing this since day 1, parsers have nothing to do with people projecting their own insecurities.

Parsers don't create toxicity, toxic people will always find a way to be toxic (as is VERY evidenced by this community). There's no reason to be afraid of a troubleshooting tool because some people might use it as a way to be obnoxious, just like there's no reason to remove the inspect function for the same reason.

[Kirundo]

so your proposal is, let's add more to it.
Sigh....... this is a good guy with a gun argument all over again

PS: another good argument against, just read the whole thread you made.

I respectfully disagree with the whole argument that these systems create toxicity. Toxic people create toxicity and nothing will change this except for reporting.

And what about the thread? We are having a civil conversation. Or you think that this is toxic?

[Saraide]

"Unfair"? Lmfao, so if players start getting kicked for making one mistake and dying, what will your excuse be? Or when players are blocked from joining extreme/savage/ultimate tier content because their parse numbers don't meet your arbitrary standards? what then?

the whole purpose of prog parties is to LEARN the content. obsessing over numbers and kicking anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards in dps is a toxic mentality, one that will NEVER be given endorsement in this game.

Am I missing some context here or do you think every PF is a prog party?

[Jason_Ashford]

What is your excuse for people getting kicked/leave the underperforming PF group right now? You are under a misconception that today people are all friendly but if they are given a damage meter then SUDDENLY they all start acting toxic.

PS And the standard is not arbitrary, it's set by the developers who designed the enrage timers.

so we have players who bully others and gatekeep content from lower skilled players, and to fix that you want to add a tool that will allow even more widespread bullying and gatekeeping? you say i'm the one under a misconception, but you have this delusion that adding parses will magically fix all the problems with PF parties and that we won't have an influx of toxic behavior. you cannot seriously be this naïve .