They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Elesh]

Who is the one that defines what rule breaks are worth going after? I agree the rules should better reflect what is allowed and what is not allowed. This whole gray area of don't talk about it, and one will not get punished has always been a dangerous one in my opinion. I agree it is not easy to come up with an exhausted list of approved addons and I get it will have to be monitored and changing the ToS to reflect such adjustments would be annoying and most likely not even worth the effort.

Also we cannot say for certain it is done with malicious intent across the board by an objective metric. Sure based around common sense it is that way, but one thing I do say about GM's here at SE they hardly ever punish based around circumstantial evidence, which for better or worse does allow for such acts like this and many others to go unpunished or punished unjustly. Sure no system is perfect and some GM's do not do their due diligence. In these case we cannot say that to be, the person that was banned did have 3rd party tools clearly visible.

The rules should be changed, but those who broke the rules are not victims here. Even if an army of no lifers made it their mission to ruin their fun. SE is not selectively targeting them. I do hope SE does add many plugin features as a baseline, but I also do feel that we should inform those that do openly use 3rd party tools the inherent risks that come with doing such. MrHappy, is a good example man streams without using 3rd party tools. It is possible, want to stream and not get punished do not use 3rd party tools until a change is made.

If a petty thief, a shoplifter, gets run over by a car... is he a victim?

I'd say yes. You can be a criminal ANd a victim. The people have broken a fairly minor rule with very minimal harm to others. So yes, the punishment from SE is justified. But the targeted harassment of the community was not justified. And thus I'd say yes, they qualify both as rulebreaker and victim. And while their punishment should hold... as I said earlier in this thread, the people who orchestrated the harassment campaign for no reason? They should be banned too. Because they're far worse for the community and harassment is DEFINITELY also against the ToS. Including using 'reporting' as a form of harassment.

[Kazimere]

If a petty thief, a shoplifter, gets run over by a car... is he a victim?

I'd say yes. You can be a criminal ANd a victim. The people have broken a fairly minor rule with very minimal harm to others. So yes, the punishment from SE is justified. But the targeted harassment of the community was not justified. And thus I'd say yes, they qualify both as rulebreaker and victim. And while their punishment should hold... as I said earlier in this thread, the people who orchestrated the harassment campaign for no reason? They should be banned too. Because they're far worse for the community and harassment is DEFINITELY also against the ToS. Including using 'reporting' as a form of harassment.

If the scriminal is fleeing the crime and gets run over, they’re not a victim. That’s just karma.

[SwingLifeAway]

If the scriminal is fleeing the crime and gets run over, they’re not a victim. That’s just karma.

Do you have "Empath" in your Twitter bio? Just curious.

[Kazimere]

Do you have "Empath" in your Twitter bio? Just curious.

Twitter is a dumpster fire that I take no part in, lol.

[LeonKeyh]

If a petty thief, a shoplifter, gets run over by a car... is he a victim?

I'd say yes. You can be a criminal ANd a victim. The people have broken a fairly minor rule with very minimal harm to others. So yes, the punishment from SE is justified. But the targeted harassment of the community was not justified. And thus I'd say yes, they qualify both as rulebreaker and victim. And while their punishment should hold... as I said earlier in this thread, the people who orchestrated the harassment campaign for no reason? They should be banned too. Because they're far worse for the community and harassment is DEFINITELY also against the ToS. Including using 'reporting' as a form of harassment.

If you follow the thread of cause/effect, everyone can be a victim and everyone has someone who is ultimately the cause of their victimhood.

Why is that person stealing? Is it because they were born into a poor family? Why was that family poor? Systemic economic issues?

Same line of thought can be done with parsers:

Why is someone parsing? Because the game doesn't give enough information about how well you're playing? Why doesn't it give that information? Because people have been known to abuse it in the past? Why have they abused it in the past? Because people play multiplayer games with no intention of getting better and ultimately leech off the other people they're playing with? Why do they have no intention of being better? Because the game doesn't do a good job at fostering improved gameplay?


The difference is that there are clear signs "If you do X, then Y will happen to you." with the ToS. Someone aware of that who makes a decision to still do it, in my eyes, is no longer a victim of anything except their own poor decision making.