They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Saraide]

Ah, the Motte and Bailey switch I knew was coming next.

So where's the problem? Rules exist for a reason. In theory, at least. Good rules should be written with attention paid to their foundational reasoning. Why are parsers against the TOS? I've heard over and over and over and over and over and over again that it's the harassment potential.

And the moment we point at a prominent example where the *stated reason* behind that rule wasn't in play at all, said rule was enforced anyway. So what is the takeaway from this? It's certainly not "harassment is bad". It's "third party tools are punishable if 5chan gets mad about it".

Claiming it's about harassment potential, then when confronted with the fact that public, visible enforcement has nothing whatsoever to do with harassment fleeing to the Motte of "who cares it's against the rules either way SO THERE" is a boring trick. Save it for the tourists. Your beef isn't with harassment, it's with the existence of facts. Stats. Math.

The classic it's bad because it's against the rules and it's against the rules because it's bad circle. If you get someone to break out of that, let me know. People like that would be upset about freeing slaves because it was technically against the law.

[Jaquan]

Let me ask you this. If someone suddenly told you you scored 12 points and left it at this would it mean anything? No extra information, no context nothing. Just a number. And that's what DPS meter would be in vacuum. There's really a lot of work that's needed to be done if there's ever going to be serious attempt at using Damage Meter as an improvement tool for players there's a lot of data you actively need provide at moment's notice. What's average damage? How does Player's performance compare to it? What's practically achievable maximum at any stadium if the class progression? How much of that is actively required to clear content at given level and difficulty. Without this data to draw on the Damage Meter isn't different from any random scoring method. Just assigning score among party members without putting it into context doesn't invoke Improvement but may lead to even more toxic interactions even if they wouldn't cross the lines marked by ToS. We're already damn creative at being pricks to one another without breaking it.

Ultimately it's not a bad idea but it's something that would require titanic effort to implement right. Effort that neither Devs or community is willing to put.

[SwingLifeAway]

Ultimately it's not a bad idea but it's something that would require titanic effort to implement right. Effort that neither Devs or community is willing to put.

So then just let us use our own without being afraid of eating a ban because some puritanical loser wants to do a funny?

[VerdeLuck]

So then just let us use our own without being afraid of eating a ban because some puritanical loser wants to do a funny?

Nothing is currently stopping you from that unless you stream or are toxic to other players with it. The fact you're so concerned about being banned for it would seem to suggest, like when people were upset of the TOS "not letting them give advice anymore", that you're probably using it to be toxic and want a free pass to do it. You're not going to get that.

[SwingLifeAway]

Nothing is currently stopping you from that unless you stream or are toxic to other players with it. The fact you're so concerned about being banned for it would seem to suggest, like when people were upset of the TOS "not letting them give advice anymore", that you're probably using it to be toxic and want a free pass to do it. You're not going to get that.

I've been playing the game since 2017 without ever once receiving a warning, so nice reach man. Personally I am not concerned about being banned, I just do not like the principle of the situation as using the TOS as a weapon against people who have done nothing wrong is just simply an injustice.

Maybe you should stop trying to villainize people who disagree with you and actually read what they are saying, because from pretty much every post I have seen from you, you are failing entirely to do that. You're not participating in the conversation, you're here to post your "holier than thou" opinion to make yourself look good, in who's eyes I have no idea, but I hope they appreciate it because you seem quite relentless in your efforts to grandstand for them.

I will continue to play the game I enjoy, and I will continue to argue that people who are peacefully minding their own business should be allowed to stream with addons, without fearing that some random individuals will get them banned from the game. If you think that's toxic, then there is nothing more I can say to convince you, and you're free to continue believing that. I just feel sorry for you if that's the case.

[Jaquan]

So then just let us use our own without being afraid of eating a ban because some puritanical loser wants to do a funny?

If you leave no proof, mention it nowhere when it can be linked to your character then you're free to use them. You won't be banned for those simply due to lack of proof unless you post a screenshot or stream with the damage tracker visible. Crazy Puritans can kiss your behind if they won't have any proof or at the very least you won't get banned for 3rd party tools.