They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Reimmi]

In that case, no, you're never getting those tools. The developers have said the answer is no and will always be no, no matter how many times you ask.

My brother in Hydaelyn you are literally playing a race that they said would never happen

[Rolder50]

My brother in Hydaelyn you are literally playing a race that they said would never happen

Don't forget how they said no it's impossible for collection checkmarks on orchestration rolls and minions, and then added it!

[Shurrikhan]

Don't forget how they said no it's impossible for collection checkmarks on orchestration rolls and minions, and then added it!

Glamours in PvP? Forever and always an impossibility.

[Kenky]

Don't forget how they said no it's impossible for collection checkmarks on orchestration rolls and minions, and then added it!

I believe there's a difference here.

With collection checkmarks, it's (seemingly) just a quick scan to see if you actually have access to X.

With a parser, the reason they say no is because they want to avoid harassment or toxicity as a result of the parser. This thread alone has shown that, even if a parser is added, it'll result in the exact thing they don't want to happen. How do I know that? Look through the thread and others from the past week. Or the more normal response. "look at how meters ruined <insert mmo here>" and that holds some weight, especially since the Exodus from WoW. While I welcome the refugees, it's hard to shake a habit that has been several years in the making..

People actively insulting each other for pointless reasons, or outright resorting to actual harassment purely because of a difference of opinion. While I can understand people may be "against" those that have different opinions, despite differing opinions actively causing discussions that may help both sides in the long run. You learn why they hold their stance and you help them by explaining yours.

Even if you still disagree at the end, you have both learned a small nugget that could be used to gauge other peoples opinions, should they contest yours. Turning the outright hostility into curiosity and discussion.

To that end, can you really and legitimately stand there and say a parser will not cause problems?

A personal DPS meter, sure. Make it punishable to share it if people get stupid with it, as I understand some peoples desire to use said meters for "personal improvement". That's all it should be at most. Not one single step further.

[anhaato]

With a parser, the reason they say no is because they want to avoid harassment or toxicity as a result of the parser. This thread alone has shown that, even if a parser is added, it'll result in the exact thing they don't want to happen. How do I know that? Look through the thread and others from the past week. Or the more normal response. "look at how meters ruined <insert mmo here>" and that holds some weight, especially since the Exodus from WoW. While I welcome the refugees, it's hard to shake a habit that has been several years in the making..

I didn't know parsers harassed Blizzard's female employees and stole their breast milk.

People actively insulting each other for pointless reasons, or outright resorting to actual harassment purely because of a difference of opinion. While I can understand people may be "against" those that have different opinions, despite differing opinions actively causing discussions that may help both sides in the long run. You learn why they hold their stance and you help them by explaining yours.

Even if you still disagree at the end, you have both learned a small nugget that could be used to gauge other peoples opinions, should they contest yours. Turning the outright hostility into curiosity and discussion.

To that end, can you really and legitimately stand there and say a parser will not cause problems?

Yeap. The only ones being toxic and actually harassing people are the anti-parse crowd. I promise, reviewing someone's credentials to tell if they're in a position to be making a certain argument is not the same. That is, claiming "I do just fine without them" to backup their argument that no one should be allowed to use them when they, in fact, do not do just fine. A bruised ego and some petty insults are leagues behind witch hunting and mass reporting.

[Kenky]

I didn't know parsers harassed Blizzard's female employees and stole their breast milk.


Yeap. The only ones being toxic and actually harassing people are the anti-parse crowd. I promise, reviewing someone's credentials to tell if they're in a position to be making a certain argument is not the same. That is, claiming "I do just fine without them" to backup their argument that no one should be allowed to use them when they, in fact, do not do just fine. A bruised ego and some petty insults are leagues behind witch hunting and mass reporting.

1. Missed the point, but hey. Your call. It's not uncommon that WoWs community was far from appealing and, sadly, to this day, it still remains that way. Probably doesn't help that GMs in WoW either don't exist, or outright tell you to /ignore and man up, rather than deal with the problem.

2. Harassment is Harassment. The length and strength of it is irrelevant. (in terms of punishing it, at least) and I'm not claiming that one side of this conversation is "the toxic one". Both sides have shown they have less-than-ideal people in their ranks. Again, go back through this very thread and you'll see. While you may see going after someone for their low-DPS as a justifiable action, on the belief that you only do it to people who claim they "do just fine". It is still using their meters as justification for harassment. So you (in a roundabout way) confirmed the stance XIV takes.

If you feel someone isn't pulling their weight in a duty / raid / roulette / etc, put them on your block list and you'll never group up with them again. You don't need to voice your personal disappointment about how they aren't meeting your personal standards. (If you are consistently wiping trial / raid fights as a result, you may be justified in calling them out, but not using numbers, obviously)

"People should just learn how to do good DPS" or people should just not be antagonistic to each other over otherwise meaningless reasons, like hitting buttons in a vidja gaem

Remember. Games (Final Fantasy is included in this, shocking I know!) are meant to be played for fun. While your fun may be topping meters, others may just want to lean back and relax. So I shall remain with my stance of "Personal dps meters at most, punishing those that abuse it."

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If you feel someone isn't pulling their weight in a duty / raid / roulette / etc, put them on your block list and you'll never group up with them again.

Correction.

This applies only if you're the PF leader, because anybody in your blacklist won't be able to view your PF. DF contents will still pair you with them. Joining random's PF doesn't prevent them from joining the same PF. You just won't be able to see what they're talking (yes, they can see what you're typing if they don't blacklist you).