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    Saraide's Avatar
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Thi View Post
    Exactly all of this. You already have a bunch of filters you can have in a PF listing that act as "gatekeeping". Having one more won't cause any issues.

    If you want to limit your party to only people who provide x DPS, you should have that right but making that choice also makes your party fill up slower because the higher you go the smaller and smaller the pool gets.

    Likewise anyone who doesn't care can make their own PF listing, there isn't a limited number of listings available so it's not like they can keep you from doing content and gatekeep you, just form your own party.
    The idea that people will then use explicit DPS numbers is a dubious one at best and imo speaks more to what the people fearmongering from that would do than anyone else (remember, the only thing we can do is projecting). Walk me through the logistics of it, are you going to set individual numbers for every single job? While job balance is definitely a strength of this game, it's not perfect either. Remember that the damage numbers ACT shows when active is not entirely reflective of your contribution because of group buffs (both from you and from others). DPS also depends on the specific encounter down to the kill time.
    Do you want to account for all that in your PF description and make an essay out of it? No, you wont. You'll just set an ilvl gate, kick people who are not up to your expectations and be done with it. Exactly like you can do now.

    This is also assuming that SE does a good job at making an official damage meter that can account for group buffs and the likes. There is no reason to assume they will do a good job at that. This is honestly the reason why I think they shouldnt. The community already has a better solution than SE is able and willing to provide. Do we seriously believe SE would make the sensible decision and strike things like P3S add phase from the records?
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    Thi's Avatar
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    Thi L'iun
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    Adamantoise
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    The idea that people will then use explicit DPS numbers is a dubious one at best and imo speaks more to what the people fearmongering from that would do than anyone else (remember, the only thing we can do is projecting). Walk me through the logistics of it, are you going to set individual numbers for every single job? While job balance is definitely a strength of this game, it's not perfect either. Remember that the damage numbers ACT shows when active is not entirely reflective of your contribution because of group buffs (both from you and from others). DPS also depends on the specific encounter down to the kill time.
    Do you want to account for all that in your PF description and make an essay out of it? No, you wont. You'll just set an ilvl gate, kick people who are not up to your expectations and be done with it. Exactly like you can do now.

    This is also assuming that SE does a good job at making an official damage meter that can account for group buffs and the likes. There is no reason to assume they will do a good job at that. This is honestly the reason why I think they shouldnt. The community already has a better solution than SE is able and willing to provide. Do we seriously believe SE would make the sensible decision and strike things like P3S add phase from the records?
    I agree on all fronts about this, you can't really set it by a raw number.

    What I want is just a simple filter of did they clear SSS for this fight on the job they are joining on yes/no.

    The raw numbers are just going to create a new "Skip soar or disband" but it is now "group DPS above x or disband."
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