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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirundo View Post
    I dare you to find ANY group or raid in WoW party finder right now that would require you to have certain DPS amount.
    And no, logs requirement for mythic raids is not DPS requirement but check that you didn't buy the clear.
    M+ they don't use logs or DPS numbers, they use IO scores which is determined by keystone clears. IO also will record raid kills as well and will show you a person main's IO information if they are on an alt.

    In fact, parses from Warcraft Logs for M+ is pretty irrelevant for group selection. Especially since Warcraft Logs does not differentiate from rDPS and aDPS. All logs are aDPS which is heavily abused with things like PI, Benevolent Faries and other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeastyloins View Post
    In fact, parses from Warcraft Logs for M+ is pretty irrelevant for group selection. Especially since Warcraft Logs does not differentiate from rDPS and aDPS. All logs are aDPS which is heavily abused with things like PI, Benevolent Faries and other things.
    Yeah those logs are used to break down pulls, not really to gauge personal performance (we use sims and application for that). Which is also a reason why having logs over just a silent dps meter is important. It's to look at group performance.

    Having that information readily available natively in the 14 client would be a powerful tool. People who actually know how to read logs don't really care about the raw rDPS so much as how it weighs against the other bits of data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LisSquid View Post
    Yeah those logs are used to break down pulls, not really to gauge personal performance (we use sims and application for that). Which is also a reason why having logs over just a silent dps meter is important. It's to look at group performance.

    Having that information readily available natively in the 14 client would be a powerful tool. People who actually know how to read logs don't really care about the raw rDPS so much as how it weighs against the other bits of data.
    For Raids sure, for M+ not so much since there exist a level of strategy in M+ completion is captured by logs, its easier to utilize IO as a mean to determine who you want for a group.

    While it would be good for analysis, the issue is that the casual player base either will A) not understand said information or B) ignore it out of spite due to the already cultivated culture that surrounds the game. Just like how you can't remove DPS meter from WoW, you can't add DPS meters to FF14.

    If anything, I'd rather just allow for ACT and expand the API for more robust information to be collected via ACT while keeping current rules regarding talking about logs, parses, or DPS values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeastyloins View Post
    ....
    Apologies, I was definitely applying the idea of it to 14 where M+ didn't enter the equation in my mind.

    Anything SE could come up with would be sub-par to what ACT can currently accomplish, but it still makes me bristle when people on both sides of the argument can't articulate why we have these tools in the first place.
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