They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Sebazy]

You don't even have any jobs at 90. This strong stance about how you should be able to gatekeep players out of content is just strange to me given the fact you don't even have these fights unlocked yet.

Is gatekeeper the new buzzword of the day or something? Seriously though, calm down over there a little. Nobody wants to mindlessly gatekeep people out of content. Do you actually think the typical raider thinks 'wow there's just far too many PFs and people raiding today? Recruiting people for my static is way too easy. I sure wish the scene was half this size?'.

However, there is a very real barrier of progression (Keyword, Progression not Entry) that people do need to be able to reach to continue onward once you hit Extremes. DPS checks are a thing, yet the game does a really poor job of explaining anything beyond 'this button does this when you press it'. The value of weapon damage? Substats? Mainstats? The importance of 2 minute burst windows? When should I save CDs vs blowing everything?

IMHO any negatives (which can be instantly ruled out by SE changing absolutely nothing on their existing harassment policies I'll note) are easily counteracted by the benefits that some form of simplistic in game parsing tool could offer.

Right now a lot of players will hop out of a 24 man where pressing a button 10 times a minute is acceptable into an Extreme where it clearly isn't and have no idea why the content is chewing them up and spitting them out. This could be a potential avenue for them to explore to better understand where they are going wrong. I'm still firmly of the opinion that some kind of gold saucer mini game is the better approach to better facilitate this kind of use.

[MiaShino]

You don't even have any jobs at 90. This strong stance about how you should be able to gatekeep players out of content is just strange to me given the fact you don't even have these fights unlocked yet.

When you begin resorting to things such as this you have already lost the debate. Do you have any logical points for refuting what I said or not?

Again. My party my rules. If you feel entitled to clearing any content you wish with whomever you wish that tis strictly a you problem and it starts with selfish, ends with narcissistic. At this juncture am beginning to think 90% of this forum is just bad trolls. Surely no one huffs their own poots and enjoys it this much right? ... Right?

Am discussing Savage+ If you wish to find party that will allow you to "take it easy" or face roll the keyboard like everyone does in casual content you are in for bad time. The sooner some of you start accepting this the happier we shall all be. No one is gatekeeping anyone until Square somehow finds method for preventing you from forming a party/static yourself. Why is this confusing to some?

Go make a party right now! Farm - Learning - Clear for friend and test this out yourself. Bam! No more "gatekeeping". Work on finishing this tier might be better use of your personal time if we are resorting to that kinda nonsense.

If group checks your logs and kicks you there are three solutions you can explore;
Improve.
Find another group.
Make a PF/Static.

You cannot force a group to keep you if they do not wish to. Jeeeez, I hope this was concise enough.

[Padudu]

When you begin resorting to things such as this you have already lost the debate. Do you have any logical points for refuting what I said or not?

The fact that these forums will dig through to find logs and drop them into xivanalysis whenever they disagree with someone really calls into question how much these tools really are for personal improvement.
Just amazing how fast people who say it's only for personal improvement and they only look up their own will reach for it when they get upset at someone. Honestly it's why they shouldn't ever have that functionality in game.

He literally uses this as an argument against dps meters/parses, which like.. okay fine and true, people of the forum do check logs when conversations like this pops up. But then you disagree with his gatekeeping argument and the first thing he does is run to the lodestone to check your levels lol. And for what? It proves nothing

[VerdeLuck]

When you begin resorting to things such as this you have already lost the debate. Do you have any logical points for refuting what I said or not?
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Work on finishing this tier might be better use of your personal time if we are resorting to that kinda nonsense.

The level of self awareness in this post is unreal lmao.
I've already argued for pages of this thread why it's bad to gatekeep content based on "you need to prove x damage before you can join" and why adding official parsing and dps meter support would encourage harassment and abuse, but you just want to ignore that and throw twitter style dunks at me. Grow up. You ignore everything I post and just put words in my mouth assuming that I'm saying something else.
How about you stay on topic about DPS meters, which is the point of the post you keep replying to from me?
You won't because you're just in here to lob personal attacks and act smug, you crave twitter style dunks instead of actual discussion.

[VerdeLuck]

He literally uses this as an argument against dps meters/parses, which like.. okay fine and true, people of the forum do check logs when conversations like this pops up. But then you disagree with his gatekeeping argument and the first thing he does is run to the lodestone to check your levels lol. And for what? It proves nothing

His highest job level is literally linked inside of his post

[Klytania]

"omg gatekeeping, like so toxic yikes"

Did I accidentally click on tumblr?

[Padudu]

His highest job level is literally linked inside of his post

LMAO so what? It still doesn't invalidate anything of what they said at all.

Also,

How about you stay on topic about DPS meters, which is the point of the post you keep replying to from me?

My bro, you can't just talk about how "dps meters are bad because gatekeepers", get argued against on why gatekeeping is a bad argument, then turn around with "you should stay on topic!" that's not how that works lol. The fact is, the devs have designed it so that DPS checks are in a fight, DPS checks require a moderate amount of competency, people want to pair with people who are on their level of that competency, gatekeeping will happen. The devs have designed it that way. There's no way around that other than making fights so baby-bottle suckin' easy that stats, dps, rotations, ect would not matter anyways.

[Miracle_Diva]

His highest job level is literally linked inside of his post

That doesn't suddenly make his opinion irrelevant.
Stop the gatekeep.

[HyperiusUltima]

On the topic of gatekeeping, I would like to add in that this is the fear of many if they add a DPS Meter into the game incorrectly. By making it a personal thing, where it only shows your own, then it feels fair. However, then you create a stigma of static groups asking "Did you do X DPS or Y Damage?" and when you decide not to share because of toxicity it would bring, they will gatekeep you from joining a group. That's the problem. The solutions that MiaShino mentioned above are able to solve this, but it does not solve the problem of even PF going to say "Do X Damage" or "Clear this dummy". Which, in all honesty, turns more people off than other things.

That is the stigma we need to consider when adding any type of parser, personal or open, because there will be people who are judgmental about numbers and will shame you for your numbers. The harassment policy as noted in Sebazy's post does well against this, since shaming someone for their numbers counts as harassment. The amount of reports that can generate is also an issue internally, at least when it comes to the raiding community at large.

[MiaShino]

The level of self awareness in this post is unreal lmao.
I've already argued for pages of this thread why it's bad to gatekeep content based on "you need to prove x damage before you can join" and why adding official parsing and dps meter support would encourage harassment and abuse, but you just want to ignore that and throw twitter style dunks at me. Grow up. You ignore everything I post and just put words in my mouth assuming that I'm saying something else.
How about you stay on topic about DPS meters, which is the point of the post you keep replying to from me?
You won't because you're just in here to lob personal attacks and act smug, you crave twitter style dunks instead of actual discussion.

Wat? Are you okay? Look.. whatever gender you are. Am not going through your entire post history in this thread because nothing you have recently said is of any value. Stinks to hear? Oh well. Opinions be this way and that is this lala's.

I put two walls of words and letters discussing? Something about this not good enough? I disagree with everything you are saying and have not exactly been the obtuse about this. Read the words then take one deeeeep long breath until your emotions settle and you can process them.

Do not give one single hoot if group advertises as "Must do X damage to join" because it does not effect me. Either I meet the requirement or I do not. Tis that group leader's decision to set that requirement and I have no right to control who can and cannot join their party. It is not toxic and would happen with or without official damage meter. How do I know this? Because it already occurs.

Go look for speed clear groups and tell me they are not looking into your logs. Also tell me how banning number aggregators is working oh so swell preventing this behavior.

No one can prevent you from clearing content but they can and will prevent you from joining/remaining in their PF - Static if they wish. Uncertain why you are so butt mad about this anyways. You have P1S and P2S done so what is problem? You do not appear to be suffering from deeps based gatekeeping at'all.

Or, or keep obsessing over my displayed character level, whatever boats your float. Just understand if that is where these conversations will continue to go I shall not be entertaining them. Better things to do with my free time then punch a wall until my hands bleed.