They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[VerdeLuck]

ESO lets you hide your information. Don't see how anything would change from how it is now i.e: If you berate someone over dps performance you find yourself in the Gaol.

Opt-out systems don't work well, FFLogs already does this and opting out of that is seen as a mark of shame. Overwatch tried opt-out when they hid player profiles to combat toxicity, but found they had to make it opt-in to show information instead, to prevent opting out from being a mark of shame for players and a new source of harassment.

[ZeraSkiratea]

Opt-out systems don't work well, FFLogs already does this and opting out of that is seen as a mark of shame. Overwatch tried opt-out when they hid player profiles to combat toxicity, but found they had to make it opt-in to show information instead, to prevent opting out from being a mark of shame for players and a new source of harassment.

I still hate that FFLog is opt out, it should be, LIKE ANY SYSTEM, be OPT IN, you should NOT need to take extra steps for your data(and yes, your character and youir performance IS personal data)
and people who try to justify it as "oh, but FFlog would be worthless if it was only opt in" worthless.... because? you can no longer see someone elses performance and judge them on it? without that person even knowing their data is up there? The "data" (aka the party etc) is still there, it would just be obfuscated with no name/character attached to it


or my favorit "i kick anyone who has their Logs hidden when they join my Farm group so making it opt in is stupid" so? what would change for you then if its opt in, if its opt in, everyone else is hidden, kick them then, maybe then you realize how stupid that argument is.




OPT IN SHOULD BE THE STANDARD FOR ANYTHING NOT OPT OUT

[VelKallor]

The content is designed and tested to be completed without it.

I will also restate what we all know to be a fact, Yoshi plays it ALL. Their internal testing is second to none. There is no need for a parser, the content is tested rigorously and that testing proves their stance.

WOW's dependence and overuse / abuse of parsers has seen their playerbase labelled correctly as one of the most toxic and abusive in the gaming industry. It is not needed, it is not wanted, it is not of any use whatsoever, to put it bluntly, the potential for abuse / misuse is far greater than any so called 'benefit" it "might" provide.

I, for one, agree absolutely with the team's assessment on the matter.

This matter has been hashed and rehashed a dozen times over, the answer is no, it will continue to be NO.

Whether you agree or not is immaterial. You have your answer.

[forsakee]

Somehow I doubt the game would change much if they added a personal dps meter with NO ability to see other group members and make it well known 1 offence of harassment and your suspended. Unfortunately yoshi P has been against dps meters and we must default to his ultimate wisdom....

[Jason_Ashford]

Somehow I doubt the game would change much if they added a personal dps meter with NO ability to see other group members and make it well known 1 offence of harassment and your suspended. Unfortunately yoshi P has been against dps meters and we must default to his ultimate wisdom....

it would change drastically because the "elite" players would begin putting immense peer pressure on players to reveal their dps numbers and reject anyone who doesnt meet their lofty standards. it creates a very toxic environment and it's something the devs flat out refuse to introduce into the game they've worked so hard to pull from the fire.

[forsakee]

it would change drastically because the "elite" players would begin putting immense peer pressure on players to reveal their dps numbers and reject anyone who doesnt meet their lofty standards. it creates a very toxic environment and it's something the devs flat out refuse to introduce into the game they've worked so hard to pull from the fire.

It's almost like you ignored the entire 2ed part of my post...... 0 tolerance policy and no one is going to speak up and if they do plenty of people will report that individual.
I'd also be fine with limiting it to savage/ultimate only

[VelKallor]

FFLogs already does this and opting out of that is seen as a mark of shame.

Had a player here go digging for my logs and made a snide remark when he saw Id hidden that data. Exactly why this person had gone looking for it despite that fact I was...

Not in his FC.
Not in his static.
Had never applied to BE in his static and will never do so.

..was never explained.

Its a tactic called armoury shaming, and is used to personally attack people rather than actually address the point raised.

[Shibi]

If it's only personal, and then on top only active in Savage/Ultimate and at training dummies, fine.

But for the sake of baby kittens, it must not be available in anything EX and lower. I've lost count of the times that people are calling others out in a normal mode dungeon. Seriously. It really doesn't matter if the Ninja is doing less than the WHM in Aurum Vale.

[VelKallor]

If it's only personal, and then on top only active in Savage/Ultimate and at training dummies, fine.

But for the sake of baby kittens, it must not be available in anything EX and lower. I've lost count of the times that people are calling others out in a normal mode dungeon. Seriously. It really doesn't matter if the Ninja is doing less than the WHM in Aurum Vale.

Shibi, a few days ago a friend of mine told me of a guy spamming dps numbers and hurling abuse.

IN SASTASHA.

[IdowhatIwant]

If it's only personal, and then on top only active in Savage/Ultimate and at training dummies, fine.

But for the sake of baby kittens, it must not be available in anything EX and lower. I've lost count of the times that people are calling others out in a normal mode dungeon. Seriously. It really doesn't matter if the Ninja is doing less than the WHM in Aurum Vale.

Shibi, a few days ago a friend of mine told me of a guy spamming dps numbers and hurling abuse.

IN SASTASHA.

I don't believe either of these, and want SS as proof.

Savage has an ilvl requirement. You need 570-575-580-580 respectively to enter Asphodelos Savage.

Okay, I believe you then I honestly have not even looked at the savage ilvl requirement since ARR coil, which didn't even have savage. I've always been savage ready when it comes out.

Edit: Comfirmed you are actually incorrect about savage ilvl requirement. Cause I didn't really believe you...
Item level restrictions do not apply when registering as a full party.

The Ilvl requirement you listed, is to join through the duty finder, which no one in NA uses.