They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[HyperiusUltima]

The closest thing we're likely to see is Stone/Sky/Sea type DPS challenges.

This has been for the best. It at the very least provides a medium of what you should at least be doing before mechanics come into play, and sure - it's a dummy meaning it's near useless outside of actual dummy fights like P2S and P1S - but it doesn't mean that it's not a decent tool for gauging your capability with your current gear.

[Rolder50]

This has been for the best. It at the very least provides a medium of what you should at least be doing before mechanics come into play, and sure - it's a dummy meaning it's near useless outside of actual dummy fights like P2S and P1S - but it doesn't mean that it's not a decent tool for gauging your capability with your current gear.

Nah, SSS is essentially worthless, since the challenge isn't so much in doing your rotation, but doing your rotation while also doing mechanics. Plus it doesn't do anything for tanks and healers.

[RobynDaBank]

So like gating savage raid finder behind stone/sky/sea, or providing a stone/sky/sea clear checkbox for savage PF recruitment? I don't imagine there would be strong objections to that.

I have to think about whether I would object to a stone/sky/sea clear checkbox for regular EX trials. I think not, but they also feel more mid-core than hard-core so I'm not sure it's needed? I remember getting surprisingly far on Susano and Titania EX with people who had never actually played the game before - maybe clearing stone/sky/sea beforehand might have helped in that instance.

I'm sorry, like, I know you're simply suggesting a solution and I don't mean to rain on your parade. I just feel that SSS cannot compare to a Savage the same way. It'd be an annoying obstacle to people who know what they're doing and not much of an assistance to new entrants to high-end.

[CosmicCoqui]

To be honest if people need a damage meter to clear content, something else is wrong... Say that because SE has made fights and jobs easier over the years.

[Klytania]

To be honest if people need a damage meter to clear content, something else is wrong... Say that because SE has made fights and jobs easier over the years.

Yes and you identify what is wrong by tracking progress with a damage meter

[CosmicCoqui]

Yes and you identify what is wrong by tracking progress with a damage meter

It's not needed though. They have made the fights easier over time and the jobs themselves. If people can't tell without a meter when they screwed up in a fight bad enough to where they end up with a enrage despite things being easier, then they have to just keep practicing. Also Yoshi has never changed his stance on it so I really don't know why people keep trying. It would just lead to more harassment with it and yes TOS is against that stuff better to prevent it then just open the flood gates.

[Klytania]

It's not needed though. They have made the fights easier over time and the jobs themselves. If people can't tell without a meter when they screwed up in a fight bad enough to where they end up with a enrage despite things being easier, then they have to just keep practicing. Also Yoshi has never changed his stance on it so I really don't know why people keep trying. It would just lead to more harassment with it and yes TOS is against that stuff better to prevent it then just open the flood gates.

"X isn't needed" is a horrible, losing position

[Avenger]

I'm sorry, like, I know you're simply suggesting a solution and I don't mean to rain on your parade. I just feel that SSS cannot compare to a Savage the same way. It'd be an annoying obstacle to people who know what they're doing and not much of an assistance to new entrants to high-end.

I was responding to Zarkovitch's recommendation (damage challenge prereq for ex/savage) and trying to imagine what form it would take.
It sounds like if it were implemented then you wouldn't turn the checkbox on for your PF.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I'm sorry, like, I know you're simply suggesting a solution and I don't mean to rain on your parade. I just feel that SSS cannot compare to a Savage the same way. It'd be an annoying obstacle to people who know what they're doing and not much of an assistance to new entrants to high-end.

SSS needs to be updated accordingly to be a sufficient gatekeeper.

[Dyvid]

DPS Gauge

That is why they created the Stone, Sky, Sea dummies. It's so you know if you can DPS at the level you want or not.