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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobynDaBank View Post
    Aren't you the same guy going around threads calling people toxic casuals?
    That would be me.

    Because "knowledge is bad and we shouldn't have it. People might be mean! Anyway here's why people who gather knowledge should be banned" is a ludicrous set of positions, and this allergy to learning is the worst part of FFXIV's community.
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    Lil Imp
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    Some people seem to believe they have an inherent right to other peoples time, which is a mortifying level of entitlement.

    When content has strict requirements, allowing people in who cannot meet those requirements is just a pointless exercise in frustration that usually leads to unnecessary toxicity.
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    Carmina Gadelica
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    alot of these guys dont know they are not up to par, they usually have a friend or a random come in max gear and do the dps of two of them. And they do not even know it

    ignorance is bliss =p
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    R'ahlin Taka
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    Mateus
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    Good lord, this is still going on?

    *checks posts*

    And people are still being hostile to each other. Great. Wonderful!

    To the pro-parsers: Perhaps start acting civil and stop this petty bickering. Do not resort to snide remarks about "toxic casuals" or "people not up to par" as it completely undermines your claims about how "parsing" would help XIV. (Legal parsing, not FFlogs.)

    To the anti-parsers: Stop the bickering. Start being civil to each other and perhaps turn this from a pointless moogle-waving contest into an actual constructive conversation about the pros and cons. Maybe people will find common ground, or better yet, understand why you take different stances!

    To all: Remember that there's a LOT of variables in "doing good parses". Such as hardware, latency, player age & reaction times. Not everyone is on a computer with 3080Tis and 20ms ping (at its highest) while being hocked up on Adderall 24/7. Sometimes people just want to lay back on the sofa and decompress after work. Sometimes they may not want to put in 100%, yet still clear fights. Stop trying to turn XIV into a tryhards paradise. It's not built for that.

    If you're clearing fights, you have no reason to complain. The only times max-DPS matters is Savage / Ultimates (at current content) and not everyone does that. But that doesn't mean their opinions are invalid.

    Hell, people have been parsing in sastasha at level 18. When you physically cannot do "max-DPS". That doesn't stop the ne'er-do-wells. There's plenty of evidence of parsing being used to be toxic people all over the internet. Go have a look. The reasons people have for refusing a parser being in-the-game is warranted.

    If the Parser was to ever actually be considered, the community needs to prove it can be trustworthy with it. As it currently stands, it doesn't look like it could be.
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    Last edited by Kenky; 05-21-2022 at 01:35 AM.

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    Klytania Moanmoore
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    "omg gatekeeping, like so toxic yikes"

    Did I accidentally click on tumblr?
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    Eileen White
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    Brynhildr
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    On the topic of gatekeeping, I would like to add in that this is the fear of many if they add a DPS Meter into the game incorrectly. By making it a personal thing, where it only shows your own, then it feels fair. However, then you create a stigma of static groups asking "Did you do X DPS or Y Damage?" and when you decide not to share because of toxicity it would bring, they will gatekeep you from joining a group. That's the problem. The solutions that MiaShino mentioned above are able to solve this, but it does not solve the problem of even PF going to say "Do X Damage" or "Clear this dummy". Which, in all honesty, turns more people off than other things.

    That is the stigma we need to consider when adding any type of parser, personal or open, because there will be people who are judgmental about numbers and will shame you for your numbers. The harassment policy as noted in Sebazy's post does well against this, since shaming someone for their numbers counts as harassment. The amount of reports that can generate is also an issue internally, at least when it comes to the raiding community at large.
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    Silvorin Skycrest
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    Hm. Weird that the devs while testing can clear end game without addons. And you don't need FFlogs to play the game. As long as the boss dies and you don't then who cares.

    ToS been there since release. Really the Addons they need put in game are QoL stuff like chat bubbles and gshade settings and better color blind stuff. Damage meter is not one that is needed.
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    Last Starfighter
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSkyway View Post
    Damage meter is not one that is needed.
    We already know it's not needed. It's still nice to have, however.
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    Lil Imp
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSkyway View Post
    Hm. Weird that the devs while testing can clear end game without addons.
    Yeah, they test and clear content on a debug client wherein they use additional checkpoints, god mode and a host of other tools inaccessible to the player. They also almost certainly have an internal method for parsing and interpreting logfiles while debugging complex fights as well.
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    Klytania Moanmoore
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSkyway View Post
    Hm. Weird that the devs while testing can clear end game without addons. And you don't need FFlogs to play the game. As long as the boss dies and you don't then who cares.

    ToS been there since release. Really the Addons they need put in game are QoL stuff like chat bubbles and gshade settings and better color blind stuff. Damage meter is not one that is needed.
    The difference between a fight taking 30 minutes or 15 minutes is why people use damage meters
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