They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[UkcsAlias]

Do you really think someone is gonna write the essay required to specify target dps thresholds for each job

Yes! And not just a little bit, it will be with an excessive amount of detail explaining why the treshold is made that way. They will probably even mention optimal values on a per dungeon basis because they know the total HP existing in those, and all sorts of phases.

And they will even be rewarded for doing that by getting constant references towards their guide, and the ads on the site will ensure that it remains up.

With luck it will only go as far as icy-veins in showing builds and recommendations, but i suspect that some groups will make large excel sheets with statistics and parse information from that. And to give you an idea: Heroes of the storm while it was already dead after the HGC death, still had people refer to hotslogs for information about optimal values. And there people only just complained if you took a healer that on average has 10% less healing (yet in that game individual skill does a lot). Icy veins in that with their advise was often even that bad, that you should be discouraged from using it at lower ranks (they demanded low level players to use things they simply cannot manage).

Thats why DPS must be prevented to be measured. Its not going to be helpful, and only just cause hinder. A good player isnt measured by average performance in regards to DPS, its in performance in regards to completion speed. Even if you consistently do 20% less damage, but your team on average ends up 10% faster, you are doing a very good job.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Until it becomes "you can't join our group unless you can do "X" damage. Then it becomes gatekeeping.

Not quite convinced. That's like saying gatekeeping a low performing student from advancing their study to next degree is bad because they could not meet the minimum passing average grade. Allowing them to just advance when they can barely do well on lower degree will only frustrate both the student and their teacher.

The same is also true for statics recruitment and in-game content that presents you a minimum passing grade that is DPS check, which mostly only matter in high ends. One can be a deadweight in normal to lower end content and they'll still get their clear with the help of 3 to 7 other players thanks to how those encounters are designed to begin with---hardly anybody cares in there.

[Klytania]

Until it becomes "you can't join our group unless you can do "X" damage. Then it becomes gatekeeping.

This system is already in place with duty complete, and iL filters.

[Shurrikhan]

Lost Ark used as an example again, the game that ranks a person as MVP with dmg and bascially has a damage meter with the % dmg done after the fight.

It also has extradimensional Training Rooms into which one can summon, by pretty finely customizable choice, any number of enemies --ranging from from common mobs to rares to outright bosses-- around which to test one's uptime maximization... complete with an in-game parser.

Honestly, if our SSS were similarly customizable to simulate actual raid environments and much of their cognitive load / intensity, we'd probably have far fewer players who'd feel like a parser is necessary for enrage-based higher-end content.

Now, having a usable-anywhere parser would still be a great and convenient tool to have for casual experimentation and comparing one's performances (better still if instead used nominal relative potency --which isn't so stat and luck-driven-- and could be toggled between Raw, Adjusted, and Raid relative potency per second), but at least the game wouldn't then essentially be blinding its players (as well as they can through regulations enforceable only on streamers) to information given freely in most MMOs in the interest of making its content last longer through artificial difficulty.

Going out of one's way to prevent information access (long before the third-party addons controversy it was those who let others in on how the game's stats actually work who were getting suspensions) is honestly of little difference from outright outlawing guides; you're simply removing the primary means of proving out better/best practices instead of the primary means of sharing those better/best practices (that would otherwise be rightly held suspect if they were denied precise empirical forms of measurement).

[DatPotato]

I don't know why it's a debate... I'm certain the producer meant the call out part of act or the other ones making aoe appears in advance.

not ACT, I mean, if he was so against it why would he add multiple DPS checks as a mechanic.

and do something so when players do something right they get hints at it, all you get from this are numbers, no visual clues about a rotation well done.

heck the game also has a difference between magical damages and physical one and while the animation is a clue in itself, some attacks are magical and you will not expect it

(e.g. bugs using darkness type attack as their attacks and good luck figuring this out without act or a proper meter for tank or heal check)

[ICountFrom0]

Best place to put a damage meter would be to attach it to the "record" feature, and then they just remove the limitation on what missions you can record.

Once it's recorded, a few minutes after, the next playback gets you bars and details and breakdowns.

Should be trivial.

[Yeastyloins]

Best place to put a damage meter would be to attach it to the "record" feature, and then they just remove the limitation on what missions you can record.

Once it's recorded, a few minutes after, the next playback gets you bars and details and breakdowns.

Should be trivial.

That ok for reviewing footage but monitoring damage/healing/damage taken metrics are important while you are actively doing the fight itself to see if there can be improvement in the moment. Your group tries one strat and then tries another strat and see how far they got and whether or not there was an increase in performance.

[Shurrikhan]

Best place to put a damage meter would be to attach it to the "record" feature, and then they just remove the limitation on what missions you can record.

Once it's recorded, a few minutes after, the next playback gets you bars and details and breakdowns.

Ideally, though, you want to make this kind of at-a-glance information convenient enough for casual experimentation as to keep it a quick, accessible learning tool. Boxing it instead into a feature within a feature is... not that.

[RobynDaBank]

Maybe you should stop trying to villainize people who disagree with you and actually read what they are saying, because from pretty much every post I have seen from you, you are failing entirely to do that.

Aren't you the same guy going around threads calling people toxic casuals?

[SwingLifeAway]

Aren't you the same guy going around threads calling people toxic casuals?

No, I hardly know the guy

EDIT: To give a more serious answer, yes I call people toxic casuals, but I'm not trying to apply behavior that they have not already exhibited

Trying to infer that I am using parsers to be toxic in game, is a fabrication. People expressing toxic views on the forums, and being called toxic for it, is not a fabrication.