They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Of course something can be done about it. It's already in place even. You dont get to harass someone over their performance. As yoship said in that one infamous liveletter you get punished for harassment before you get punished for using ACT.

This is something that people will 99.99% forget whenever numbers are brought up into this discussion, it's almost baffling. Selectiveness is real.

[Yeastyloins]

Tbh that statement of yours is why the devs don't want it in game. If someone is going to say something like that without parsers in game, imagine if they were added. Probably be a lot worse and then nothing can really be done about it. A lot of people who keep trying to push for parsers to be added in game just keep proving yoshi's point as to why they should not be added.

It's an honest thing. Though rather than a dps meter I would prefer if there were IN game means to teach people mechanics. I did the stuff with the smith when I first started playing and I don't think it adequately teaches new players these kinds of things. Things like considered AoE usage and when its again, considering using CDs when you get buffs. It would be simple way to implement it.

The largest issue is the game itself does a terrible job of teaching how to play in multiple scenarios. WoW has a "tutorial" like section when you boost a character where they have you practice both single target and AoE/Cleave abilities, core interactions within your toolkit, and important defensive/utilities. The initial job quests for RPR and SGE do have something like that but its very barebones.

[Shurrikhan]

It's an honest thing. Though rather than a dps meter I would prefer if there were IN game means to teach people mechanics.

These aren't mutually exclusive, though, and usually the best way to put advice to practice is with, also, the ability to see clearly and objectively whether you've gotten it to work.

[VelKallor]

Semirhage

The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.

If you cant see that simple reality, then theres really no use in discussing this further.

[Rolder50]

Semirhage

The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.

If you cant see that simple reality, then theres really no use in discussing this further.

You are aware that DPS measurement tools already exist right? And that they have existed literally since ARR? Why, pray tell, have we not seen wide spread harassment in all that time since?

[Gemina]

You are aware that DPS measurement tools already exist right? And that they have existed literally since ARR? Why, pray tell, have we not seen wide spread harassment in all that time since?

If this is your argument, I believe that it would be more prudent to state how harassment towards players would remain at the same level you believe it to be if the measurement tools were permitted. Because right now they are not. Should it be mentioned that harassment for any reason is prohibited? That alone should answer your question.

I would also add that I don't believe it is harassment that is the issue with DPS meters being allowed in the game; I believe the concern is actually gatekeeping, which is already a thing be it players want to admit to it or not. Meters would likely exacerbate the issue. Not a guarantee, but also not a risk the dev team is willing to take.

[Shurrikhan]

The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.

Except, this runs contrary to evidence from any MMO in which parsers are widely accepted?

If someone ever brought up your numbers in your 8 years of playing WoW outside of friendly competition, let's face it, they were pointing out a problem that goes well beyond just what some little bar in the corner of their screen was telling them.

Outside of potato laptop players asking for their own numbers from those running a parser, I've seen numbers come up perhaps... 5 or 6 times, across normal and heroic raiding, RBGs, and a ton of M+.

[Semirhage]

Semirhage

The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.

If you cant see that simple reality, then theres really no use in discussing this further.

"I need the power to stop you from doing something on your own computer, that slightly affects how you play the game. I need this power because if I don't have it, you *might* do something that would negatively impact me".

You -definitely- need to exert de jure control over me, because I *might* otherwise exert peer pressure over you.

That sounds like the lust of every authoritarian I've ever heard, babe.

[VelKallor]

Right... the "truth" that merely contradicts the last decade of this game's life, the last 18 years of WoW's, nearly the last decade of GW2, etc., etc.

In the end, all I see is this.

What has been said here, and many of the attitudes towards other players, cements what YoshiP has said and why. That you cheerfully deny what happens every day in WOW that has a dps meter merely proves my point.

Ive tried.

You arent listening..no cancel that,..you WONT listen.

Done here.

[Rolder50]

In the end, all I see is this.

What has been said here, and many of the attitudes towards other players, cements what YoshiP has said and why. That you cheerfully deny what happens every day in WOW that has a dps meter merely proves my point.

Ive tried.

You arent listening..no cancel that,..you WONT listen.

Done here.

Everyone else in this thread disagreeing with your assessment

Hmmmmm