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    So if you don't raid, then why do you even care if people use damage meters? I assure you no one looks at them or cares about them outside of Extreme and higher.
    Thats a nice assumption...not not the reality by a huge margin.

    The reality is this: If parsers are allowed, within 24 hours you will see some one screaming obscenities and spamming dps meters...........in Sastasha.

    Deny it all you like...its no more than the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Thats a nice assumption...not not the reality by a huge margin.
    It's the facts. Even in WoW where they are perfectly legal, no one cares outside of M+ and raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    It's the facts. Even in WoW where they are perfectly legal, no one cares outside of M+ and raids.
    I played WOW 8 years...and I beg to differ. By a huge margin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    you will see some one screaming obscenities and spamming dps meters...........in Sastasha.

    Deny it all you like...its no more than the truth.
    Right... the "truth" that merely contradicts the last decade of this game's life, the last 18 years of WoW's, nearly the last decade of GW2, etc., etc.
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    That sounds like a you problem
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    If you play a part of the game where you have no need of combat metrics, then why is this even an issue for you? No one is going to call your score at the glamour dresser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Thats a nice assumption...not not the reality by a huge margin.

    The reality is this: If parsers are allowed, within 24 hours you will see some one screaming obscenities and spamming dps meters...........in Sastasha.

    Deny it all you like...its no more than the truth.
    And so instead, we have the toxic casual playerbase demanding that nobody be *allowed* to crunch their numbers, lest the sky fall.

    The point of what I said, which flew right over your head, is that the toxic casual community is fantastically hypocritical in their need to play a videogame, complain -endlessly- about letting people enjoy the parts of it they enjoy, and then immediately turn around and scream BURN THE WITCH! The moment someone dares to, oh, I dunno, enjoy playing something in a different way

    The evil "elitist" wants to tabulate their numbers as part of a quest for improvement. A toxic casual wants to prevent the evil elitist from doing this, because that quest for improvement may make them look *gasp* incompetent by comparison. That's literally it, all else is what-if fearmongering that conveniently ignores both the fact that harassment is ALREADY against the TOS, and that toxic casuals blithely bitch about "elitists" all the time without censure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    And so instead, we have the toxic casual playerbase demanding that nobody be *allowed* to crunch their numbers, lest the sky fall.

    The point of what I said, which flew right over your head, is that the toxic casual community is fantastically hypocritical in their need to play a videogame, complain -endlessly- about letting people enjoy the parts of it they enjoy, and then immediately turn around and scream BURN THE WITCH! The moment someone dares to, oh, I dunno, enjoy playing something in a different way

    The evil "elitist" wants to tabulate their numbers as part of a quest for improvement. A toxic casual wants to prevent the evil elitist from doing this, because that quest for improvement may make them look *gasp* incompetent by comparison. That's literally it, all else is what-if fearmongering that conveniently ignores both the fact that harassment is ALREADY against the TOS, and that toxic casuals blithely bitch about "elitists" all the time without censure.
    IMO most people don't want meters in game because they would actually realize how terrible they are playing. Which is meaningless in normal content since who cares, tanks and healers can duo it together. But still when you see somebody doing 47% of the damage in a dungeon where as you are hovering somewhere around 20ish% you might be cursed with the thought that you might be doing something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeastyloins View Post
    IMO most people don't want meters in game because they would actually realize how terrible they are playing. Which is meaningless in normal content since who cares, tanks and healers can duo it together. But still when you see somebody doing 47% of the damage in a dungeon where as you are hovering somewhere around 20ish% you might be cursed with the thought that you might be doing something wrong.
    Tbh that statement of yours is why the devs don't want it in game. If someone is going to say something like that without parsers in game, imagine if they were added. Probably be a lot worse and then nothing can really be done about it. A lot of people who keep trying to push for parsers to be added in game just keep proving yoshi's point as to why they should not be added.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCoqui View Post
    Tbh that statement of yours is why the devs don't want it in game. If someone is going to say something like that without parsers in game, imagine if they were added. Probably be a lot worse and then nothing can really be done about it. A lot of people who keep trying to push for parsers to be added in game just keep proving yoshi's point as to why they should not be added.
    Of course something can be done about it. It's already in place even. You dont get to harass someone over their performance. As yoship said in that one infamous liveletter you get punished for harassment before you get punished for using ACT.
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