They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Liam_Harper]

Honestly I think we're at the stage where they couldn't add a dps meter even if they wanted to because they've fostered such a strong anti-performance mentality, half their players would probably cause an uproar over it and act like the sky is falling down.

Yoshida simply intended to create an environment where players helped each other and were inclusive, but this has been abused by the "you don't pay my sub, I'll do what I want, anyone who disagrees with me is toxic!" type of player who sees the ToS as some sort of validation that they're in the right, it's a good thing to do the bare minimum because it's FUN and veteran players are inherently evil and need to be kept in check.
Every time this topic is brought up, everyone forgets harassment and toxic behavior are already against the rules. How can a parser create harassment when harassment over dps nets an instant ban? Why wouldn't the GM's handle it?

The game is already very toxic anyway. Instead of a straight up "you suck" that you can simply report and have the offender banned, FF14 leans into a passive aggressive "but you're lv90, you should know better", "ok, guess I'm solo healing lol", "ok, no one else has had a problem with me playing Ice mage, but guess you want to be elitist", "lol guess you bought that legend title" and so on, that's seen as perfectly fine.

[Payadopa]

What do you mean "start"? Toxic people have been doing this since day 1, parsers have nothing to do with people projecting their own insecurities.

Parsers don't create toxicity, toxic people will always find a way to be toxic (as is VERY evidenced by this community). There's no reason to be afraid of a troubleshooting tool because some people might use it as a way to be obnoxious, just like there's no reason to remove the inspect function for the same reason.

You don't fix toxicity by handing them more tools. The fact that people even debate this boggles my mind when we have more than enough examples of how it'll be misused. The gray area approach is the best compromise.

[Thi]

If you can play your job decent enough to not be a burden the you should have nothing to fear about "toxic parsers". Most parsers are quite happy to see average numbers when they get duty finder or pugs.

Basically don't be a waste of a team slot in content with dps checks and you have nothing to fear from parsing.

[VelKallor]

Or in many LFR cases where people would wipe they would just start kicking the bottom ten dps people on recount or what ever add-on they used.

Oh God...this.

THIS is exactly what happened once..."kick all the low dps"

Ten seconds later..............we had no healers.

To this day, I still cant help laughing my head off.

[Kolsykol]

No, damage meter won't solve any PF problems. It's a useful tool for measuring performance in high content. And as said before I do not agree that we will have "an influx of toxic behavior".

We already kinda have it in SSS, it's not exactly the most accurate thing but I think it's at least somewhat sufficient ( there is a website that allows you to calculate your DPS with SSS time completion too ).
Yoshi-P disagrees with you tho and I do think it can be seen in WoW.
Granted just because something happened in WoW doesn't make it some universal law that it will always happen but I do think it would and people who do high end content are likely going to seek it out anyways.
And SSS is ofc not in actual content, but it at least allows you to sorta confirm that you know your rotation at least in a vacuum.
And I don't think that a DPS meter will help outside of that, if you died or you dunno that you can hit bosses at max melee and just afk while the mechanic resolves then you're gonna know your DPS is suffering regardless.

[Thi]

We already kinda have it in SSS, it's not exactly the most accurate thing but I think it's at least somewhat sufficient ( there is a website that allows you to calculate your DPS with SSS time completion too ).
Yoshi-P disagrees with you tho and I do think it can be seen in WoW.
Granted just because something happened in WoW doesn't make it some universal law that it will always happen but I do think it would and people who do high end content are likely going to seek it out anyways.
And SSS is ofc not in actual content, but it at least allows you to sorta confirm that you know your rotation at least in a vacuum.
And I don't think that a DPS meter will help outside of that, if you died or you dunno that you can hit bosses at max melee and just afk while the mechanic resolves then you're gonna know your DPS is suffering regardless.

Honestly SSS could be useful, if when you complete it on a job it flags that you completed it. Then party finder could lock duties to only people who have cleared the SSS dummy for the fight. There are some issues with tuning for the SSS dummies, but it would be a huge start to just be able to filter out players who are not capable of doing the damage needed to clear the fight even without mechanics.

[Jeeqbit]

Honestly SSS could be useful, if when you complete it on a job it flags that you completed it. Then party finder could lock duties to only people who have cleared the SSS dummy for the fight. There are some issues with tuning for the SSS dummies, but it would be a huge start to just be able to filter out players who are not capable of doing the damage needed to clear the fight even without mechanics.

This would be good.

[Tlachtga]

"FFXIV has the best community in gaming, everyone is so nice here!"

"wahhhhh no you can't add parsers, people will be toxic and this game will turn into WoW!"

so which is it?

i've always thought Yoshida's stance was wack on this one. Man designs fights with a dps requirement, but then doesn't let you see your dps. its like driving on a road with a 40km/h limit without your speedometer. it is possible? sure. but why wouldn't you want accurate measurement?

He's got a penchant for hiding stuff though i guess. Like all the substats. I have 2203 Critical Hit....which means what exactly? literally just a number. same with the other substats. why aren't these accurate percentages? to keep up the illusion of choice? to make Tenacity seem worth it?

I do love how the ToS always ceases to exist in people's hypotheticals. "ppl would demand your dps, even if it was private!" well....just report them? its against the rules now under harassment and the parsers aren't even allowed lol.

here's a lifehack: you don't have to join that PF. you can make your own PF. not only would you be able to avoid your silly hypothetical situation, you could remove any joining people who asks about numbers too. wild.

and lastly, if you've played whatever game for however many years, and everywhere you went you had people abusing you over your performance....maybe some self-reflection is in order? there's one constant there.

[Hoodcat]

the example i used litterally said normal daily roulette

[Kolsykol]

the example i used litterally said normal daily roulette

I know?
Are you really worried about carrying people in normal?