They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Zachia]

Please exemplify? I've seen far more toxicity over throughput in this game than across 13 years of WoW, in GW2, in NWN, B&S, etc., all games with performance metrics.

At best, the toxicity in XIV simply sometimes gets hidden by parties just disbanding when they get someone clearly underperforming/underprepared, rather than daring to offer advice on anything even tangentially to do with throughput for fear of being called out for parsing -- essentially wasting 7 extra people's time in requeuing, of all things, instead of even helping someone out. As someone who likes helping out in learning parties, etc., that state of things really sucks.


Heck, the last time I've had someone pulling well under their own weight in M+ (over in WoW), we stayed for a couple extra keys on our alts, postponing play on our mains, until he'd gotten a feel for how to manage throughput as melee even when the tank needs to kite (due to the Necrotic Affix). He didn't have a parser downloaded at the moment and just asked us to post numbers, for boss and overall, after each checkpoint, so we did, and gave class-specific pointers where we could while between fights (and on any wipes) and between runs.

Being informed =/= Being toxic. There's no part of being an ass, even, that's facilitated or encouraged by having a better grasp of the situation.

Back in Mists of Pandaria: Siege of Orgrimmar LFR Wing 1: First boss the water elemental. As a Ret paladin (yes i know lol ret in pve) my numbers just weren't great compared to the range dps of the group or pure dps classes. Someone pointed it out and laughed and how pathetic I was for being near the bottom (ouch). While others were saying "He rolled ret of course he sucks" or something amongst those lines. Or in many LFR cases where people would wipe they would just start kicking the bottom ten dps people on recount or what ever add-on they used. Using low dps as the reason why wipes happened instead of people actually doing mechanics. WoW's pug system with addons like raider io or recount is just toxic. The worst I experienced in FF14? When people could not legit get leviathan or Ramuh fight mechanics down after 7 or more wipes before voting to disband the group. I couldn't blame them, people were getting tired and the people failing the mechanics just weren't listening so I couldn't see it going any other way. I'm glad you have had positive experiences however but it doesn't mean that it applies to everyone else.

Edit: Oh and some Alliance raids through the roulette system getting the clouds of darkness raid. People are vicious in that raid.

[hagare]

The good argument against it is that people are dicks.
And I say this as someone who wants it so I can check my rotation performance

[Kirundo]

The good argument against it is that people are dicks.
And I say this as someone who wants it so I can check my rotation performance

Yes, and they will be regardless of features put into the game.

[Shurrikhan]

The good argument against it is that people are dicks.

This is relevant only if parsers would cause people to be dicks when they otherwise wouldn't, or that blinding people to their performance would somehow stop them from questioning others' performance when shit hits the fan (e.g., a DPS check is failed). Yet there is no evidence to suggest either is the case.

(In reality, it merely tends to shift the question merely from "What can we do to improve it" (locked behind these layers of blindfolds first from no sanctioned data and second from even eyeballed knowledge being threatenable with reports) to, first, what can be improved. It simply adds a prior, and arguably far more humiliating, step to the original one, or replaces solutions with disbandment.)

(Can't get called out for having potentially parsed if your solution to the problem is just to replace everyone and roll the dice again, after all. At least it's not "discriminatory" or likely to be reportable if you waste 8 players' time instead of helping the one in need. Modern grey-area solutions for modern blindfolded-under-threat-of-ban problems.)

[Neoyoshi]

What's wrong with the current official battle logs that's been in the game since launch? They tell you everything you wish to know.

[Jettinson]

What's wrong with the current official battle logs that's been in the game since launch? They tell you everything you wish to know.

it's a chore using that for damage calculation but it is definitely the best thing to check actions and what's going on as well as crits but in no way i will use it to check my damage every session, especially when i have to scroll up all the time.
i am more baffled pvp board not only has your total damage against players but also damage taken and damage to other things.

[Saraide]

A possible restriction could be to only have it active on extreme and up difficulty levels, maybe target dummies aswell. I've always found it laughable that fflogs lists expert dungeons and alliance raids.

Otherwise I would say the current solution works fine. Toxic idiots (hardcore and casual players alike) cant use it to be jerk and everyone else can use it responsibily. Console players just need one person in the group to occasionally upload and they have access to all the same info.

[CosmicCoqui]

Yoshi has and will always be against parsers given he seen what it can cause given he was an avid WoW player. He has never once changed his stance on it and I honestly do not know why people keep trying to change his mind.

[Anhra]

There is a official Damage Meter called Combatlog, i dont know what all the fuss is about.

[LianaThorne]

Still kind of blows my mind how terrified people are of numbers. Parsers aren't the issue, numbers are not the issue. The issue is that some use them as a way to harass others.

Solution: Report said people and move along with your day.