They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Hoodcat]

I find that most people that complain about these things, use them. How many times ive done a savage clear with someone who swares they don't use stuff and they don't have push to talk on, and you hear the warnings.

Half the time people who say they dont use stuff were never asked, they just feel like they need to emphasize it to feel like a chad that no one cares about at this stage of gameing.

who cares if people use it or not, no one is a complete purist. if it doesn't affect you, why does it matter. There is just some fights if you dont meet X amount of dps you will never beat the enrage the tool is usefull for that, other than that who cares?


i would support a in game combined group dps meter to see weather or not time is wasted on the fight. If that would be a compromise =p Like total tallied.

[Maxilor]

I don't see the harm in having a DPS Meter for personal use and keeping your parse to yourself.

But then FFLogs shows up and it becomes a dong measuring contest and people start getting nasty.

If I had any faith in the community to not beat each other over the head with Parse Logs and not to start excluding others unless they have a near-perfect parse i'd say it sounds like a great idea.

But I have no faith in the community so it's a Hell No.

[VelKallor]

Maxilor

Thees an old adage thats been proven time and time again

"If it can be abused and misused, it will be".

Along with its corollary: again time honoured:

"This is why we cant have nice things"

[Caitlyn]

Players these days dont care about their group. They want to get through the content with no or minimal effort. Tanks dont want to tank. Healers dont want to do damage. DPS dont want to press more than 1 button. As long this mentality wont change, a DPS-meter or something similiar is neccessary.

But it hasnt be a full dps meter. It would be enough to have at least a result screen at the end of a dungeon or raid. For Savage, Ex and Ultimate, between each pull.

Until then, I m going to silently kick everyone who refuse to do their job.

[HyperiusUltima]

Players these days dont care about their group. They want to get through the content with no or minimal effort. Tanks dont want to tank. Healers dont want to do damage. DPS dont want to press more than 1 button. As long this mentality wont change, a DPS-meter or something similiar is neccessary.

But it hasnt be a full dps meter. It would be enough to have at least a result screen at the end of a dungeon or raid. For Savage, Ex and Ultimate, between each pull.

Until then, I m going to silently kick everyone who refuse to do their job.

Do you want to actively engage in player griefing? Because those are actually the requirements for setting up the scenario for it in Savage, EX, and even in normal dungeons(only in rare circumstances for dungeons).

A DPS Meter IS NOT necessary. If they fail to meet the requirements of the game, let them fail. People do not get better until they fail and learn. Some refuse to learn, and continue to fail. Even when you give advice they fail. There are people who are like this and probably are horrible at the game, but I'm not about adding a End Results screen showing Damage because it's still a measuring tool - just like The Site That Shall Not Be Named.

[Caitlyn]

If they fail to meet the requirements of the game, let them fail. People do not get better until they fail and learn.

And how do people know, that they failed? In a group of 8 players? Who knows if the entire group failed or just a single person?
How can you tell, without a meter, if someone is doing its job?

Clearing content and doing a good job are 2 different things.

[HyperiusUltima]

And how do people know, that they failed? In a group of 8 players? Who knows if the entire group failed or just a single person?
How can you tell, without a meter, if someone is doing its job?

Clearing content and doing a good job are 2 different things.

If one has a good eye and understands the nature of the mechanics of the fight they are in, then you can usually figure out what caused it in the first place. It takes practice when you've seen Savage and EX enough times. As for "doing a good job", a reminder that Savage Content tends to skew towards All DPS carrying weight along with the Tanks. Healers being tertiary damage. So, if one does not do a good job of DPS, then someone in the group is missing their rotation, or missing uptime.

At the end of the day, it's a cooperative game. Groups that actually help each other to succeed have a higher chance of success than those who look down on them if they aren't doing a "good job". Then help them if you can.

[Jeeqbit]

1. Unnecessary. I've never needed to know my damage to defeat an enrage, even in week 1. Our party just presses buttons a little better or goes out and buys pots.
2. It's meant to be a chill game that you play for fun and not worry too much about a number. Yoshi-P said words to this effect. He thinks you should be able to just play around with your class and have fun instead of feeling pressured.
3. Even if your numbers are private, because you can still see them, they are still there for you to compare your damage with others and it will pressure you and take the fun out of the game.
4. It will reduce the fear people have of discussing DPS inside the game because the information came from inside the game. It will be used to harass others, especially those who chose to make it public. They may get pressured to make it public as well.

[Klytania]

1. Unnecessary. I've never needed to know my damage to defeat an enrage, even in week 1. Our party just presses buttons a little better or goes out and buys pots.
2. It's meant to be a chill game that you play for fun and not worry too much about a number. Yoshi-P said words to this effect. He thinks you should be able to just play around with your class and have fun instead of feeling pressured.
3. Even if your numbers are private, because you can still see them, they are still there for you to compare your damage with others and it will pressure you and take the fun out of the game.
4. It will reduce the fear people have of discussing DPS inside the game because the information came from inside the game. It will be used to harass others, especially those who chose to make it public. They may get pressured to make it public as well.

1. Alright brace yourself. Because this is going to blow your mind. Are you ready? People might play the game differently than you
2. Yes, Dragonsong Ultimate looks like a real chill experience. Give me a break.
3. This one is just projection
4. You could use this argument to say they should disable chat. Someone MIGHT harass you in chat, better not have it at all.

[Shurrikhan]

4. You could use this argument to say they should disable chat. Someone MIGHT harass you in chat, better not have it at all.

Their might also use emotes for such. RIP, emotes.

Purposely offensive glamours? Well, at this point we know how to handle them...