PLD vs WAR: testing

[Judge_Xero]

I strongly disagree here. Off-healing not only takes a bit of the load off the WHM, but it's great for hate building as well. While not all fights allow you to do it properly, fights like Ifrit, where you have melee in proximity of your casting range, are easy to target with the Function keys, and Holy Succor will usually cure all they need while still giving you a decent push in enmity.

You view it as a cumbersome distraction, but I really don't feel it's like this at all. Sub-targeting isn't really an issue if you use function keys, and even if you don't, it isn't all that hard to tab through to your target depending on your positioning. Plus it isn't going to cost you much enmity at all, assuming you're curing someone who needs it where you would gain moderate enmity AND cure yourself for half that amount.

Just to add into this statement. Are people not aware that you can select a target from your party list? Why would you TAB or Funtion to someone, when you could just click on their name. (I realize that this isn't possible with a gamepad)

What you ask for : PLD being a better or equal tank than WAR.

What SE sees: Nerf warriors, leave PLD as is.

If you've been following the changes to War and Pld, you will notice that this isn't the case.
SE is actually doing a decent job on not Nerfing War. Losing a bit of damage for SC and gaining
a Parry buff, to stack with other moves, was a great way to balance War as a tank. Unfortunately you have to do more than SC combo now to get the full potential out of it. You'll have to press 5 buttons instead of 3. But you could also make a Macro for it I guess if 5 buttons is too much.


As far as the Thread Title goes. From testing on PLD before and after patch. The best setup is to just stack
as much Vit and Mnd as you can, up to Cap (300ish)
Get some good Acc Rings.
Cause PLD enmity generation is in it's combo's, not enmity gear. (not saying extra ENM+ gear is useless, it just doesn't give you the best bang for the buck on PLD)
Rampart
Fast Blade -->Flat Blade (10 second combo)
Outmaneuver
Sentinel
War Drum
Divine Veil (cause you may need heals by this point anyways)
You get that off at the start of a battle, and just go through your rotation of buffs and
FB combo
Takes a few seconds longer to build hate compared to SC combo. But it's way
tougher to break.

[Enfarious]

Just to add into this statement. Are people not aware that you can select a target from your party list? Why would you TAB or Funtion to someone, when you could just click on their name. (I realize that this isn't possible with a gamepad)
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To expand this a little more, with a gamepad you can use the d-pad up/down to scroll nothing but party members. No member is more than 4 presses away so it still really isn't hard to target party members.

Imo the hardest part of off healing on PLD is WHMs that spam cures so fast my Succors are only landing for ~200 so the healing enmity is nerfed, the HP returned to myself is nerfed and it's a huge waste of MP.

[Soukyuu]

Imo the hardest part of off healing on PLD is WHMs that spam cures so fast my Succors are only landing for ~200 so the healing enmity is nerfed, the HP returned to myself is nerfed and it's a huge waste of MP.

AFAIK, you still get the full enmity from overhealing. I rarely do, but there were some cases where I pulled hate even though I wasn't healing for the full cura amount.