PLD vs WAR: testing

[DarthTaru]

I didn't take back any argument.

My argument was and remains that WAR is still a superior tank. It was before the hotfix. It remains so after the hotfix. My LS completes five chest runs in 18 minutes. This isn't accomplished with weak damage and I don't hold hate against that sort of damage by being a tank that needs advice from someone arguing the time of the PLD has come and that enmity isn't an optimal stat to use on equipment such as belts which is where a large fraction of mine comes from.

If you're instead melding on body and headpieces and using it over Heavy DL and going for attack and additional damage and holding hate against MNK's capable of killing Miser before it moves to the poison pool (as I am) than by all means post your data.
Otherwise crawl back under your bridge.

[indira]

2.0 comes war will have crap def like everyone else is what im betting.

[Duelle]

2.0 comes war will have crap def like everyone else is what im betting.

I hope the devs are paying attention to the discussions and even the playing field for PLD and WAR by the time 2.0 comes. If they use the suggestions mentioned on these boards, all the better.

[LackingLadyLover]

What you ask for : PLD being a better or equal tank than WAR.

What SE sees: Nerf warriors, leave PLD as is.

[Alerith]

What you ask for : PLD being a better or equal tank than WAR.

What SE sees: Nerf warriors, leave PLD as is.

Technically speaking, that would still work. PLD is functional, WAR is more desirable. So whether they buff PLD to WAR's level or nerf WAR to PLD's level, we are still left with two functional tanks.

[LackingLadyLover]

The above is why I'm losing faith in the MMO community.
"Nerf everything except what I play" mentality, even in a game that is currently pure PVE with no PVP at all.
Hint: If a class is good in a game in which you can freely switch classes, it only helps you, never hurts you.

[Tango]

no overcure was fixed you no longer get enmity for any healing that is not in the logs. If you see it in the logs XYZ cures target for 1,000HP. then you gain exactly 600 enmity distributed among the current active enemies you have hate on. If you are fighting chimera and you have 1 add on you and you succor for 1k then you get 300 enmity on chimera and 300 on the add.

[Tango]

There is a lot of great info in this thread, I find it interesting that a WAR tank with superior enmity gear was having serious issues tanking mistress on PLD vs WAR. I have 181enmity on my set (missing DL body) and on war I needed to pop a mad pot to keep hate from MNK's. Our best MNK's have hit 165dps and usually mistress dies before the 2min. marker where it first moves.

One thing this thread has stated in almost every other post is the whole "you can take 1 whm" idea, I don't know why groups are taking 2 whm's? What does the 2nd whm do in fights nuke? 1 whm is way more then enough to keep up the party especially with regens and SS. Worst case I can see is you have a crappy WHM and a 2nd BRD has to pop a few aoe SS's in the mix to help out. Just curious.

I like the figure that PLD takes 3.5x less dmg then WAR. I'll have to run some AV/CC on PLD and look at the overall dmg taken on each of the fights, the whole aoe is slower on PLD main tank is garbage with 5blm's in a group you already have WAY more then enough DPS to burn down the groups of mobs in seconds, my only issue is the loss of collusion for flare spots to keep 100% hate on large groups of adds easily.

[Enfarious]

There is a lot of great info in this thread, I find it interesting that a WAR tank with superior enmity gear was having serious issues tanking mistress on PLD vs WAR. I have 181enmity on my set (missing DL body) and on war I needed to pop a mad pot to keep hate from MNK's. Our best MNK's have hit 165dps and usually mistress dies before the 2min. marker where it first moves.

One thing this thread has stated in almost every other post is the whole "you can take 1 whm" idea, I don't know why groups are taking 2 whm's? What does the 2nd whm do in fights nuke? 1 whm is way more then enough to keep up the party especially with regens and SS. Worst case I can see is you have a crappy WHM and a 2nd BRD has to pop a few aoe SS's in the mix to help out. Just curious.

I like the figure that PLD takes 3.5x less dmg then WAR. I'll have to run some AV/CC on PLD and look at the overall dmg taken on each of the fights, the whole aoe is slower on PLD main tank is garbage with 5blm's in a group you already have WAY more then enough DPS to burn down the groups of mobs in seconds, my only issue is the loss of collusion for flare spots to keep 100% hate on large groups of adds easily.

I'm guessing, and in my own case I know, that not all of us have near full or full DL gear, not all of us have all trip meld gear, and for many that didn't stick around from launch (~75 in my LS) don't have all the "EG" content cleared, let alone mastered, hell only 4/5 people in my shell have all the DoW/M classes capped, and I can't think of any that actually have all classes @50. Those things considered 2 WHMs are often more useful then another DD, as the kinks are worked out and people get more accustomed to the runs, and of course gear gets better, that second WHM might become unnecessary, but for now some of us still need that little extra protection.

[Molly_Millions]

One thing this thread has stated in almost every other post is the whole "you can take 1 whm" idea, I don't know why groups are taking 2 whm's? What does the 2nd whm do in fights nuke? 1 whm is way more then enough to keep up the party especially with regens and SS. Worst case I can see is you have a crappy WHM and a 2nd BRD has to pop a few aoe SS's in the mix to help out. Just curious.

It depends on the fight, really. For Garuda, my LS takes one whm, but for CC we take 2. We take two WHMs for ifrit, but in my little experience with it, it seems like we could take 1 whm for AV after that whm has had enough experience in there.