800+ crys credit w/ 550 wins - have yet to witness “cheating.”

[KickRox]

I only mention rank and victories as a qualifier that I’m a decent pvper and that I didn’t win streak to Crystal in a day. That being said I’m not keen on the consistent insistence of a “cheating epidemic.” You’ve seen it; The excuse that finds its way into the seeming endless diatribe threads that, to experienced pvp players (from any game) essentially translates to “I just started pvping and I’m not crystal tier yet, therefor it’s definitely not that I’m not as good as I insist I am, but rather that SE sucks, there’s a cheating conspiracy and where’s my participation trophy naming me the greatest of all time.”

Especially when I consider that in over 1000 matches, (ballpark 30 bronze, 40 silver, 30 gold, 20 plat, 200 diamond and 650 crystal matches) I haven’t witnessed a single instance that had even this whiff of impropriety.
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I’m not saying cheating is not there; but I know what to look for if it is and Using “cheating” as an uncontrollable epidemic to justify why one can get out of platinum, disincentivizes potential players from getting into what I personally think is the only element of ff14 worth it’s salt (after an initial savage clear, you lose me. Next week it’s gonna be exactly the same as the first fight.)

Personal preference aside, and trying my best in earnest not to gas anyone up, I thought that anyone considering taking a crack pvp ought to hear from someone very active in CC that in my experience on crystal DC, cheating is so negligible, that out of myself and the 63 other people in our pvp cwls, no one has been witness to anything so blatant that they vocalized it; either in game or in discord.

Tier systems work to a degree. It’s the best approach to ranked pvp for an accurate representation of skill level. It’s needs work, for sure. To start, de-ranking needs to be a thing asap. But, there’s fundamental merit, albeit quite limited, to the current tier system

The matchmaking needs work, sure. Jobs need tweaks, and purify / resilience is begging for attention, no doubt. But the unfortunate truth for the salt slingers is that we all face the same odds re: match ups, trollers, bad parties. If ANY of it were a chronic enough issue, no one would make it to crystal within a given season.

99.9% of the time, it’s just someone that thinks they’re a lot better than they are and would rather dear diary their lack of talent before they admit to themselves that they just aren’t very good.

It’s taken a long time to peak this much interest in PvP and I’d hate to see a single potential challenger bail on giving it a shot because some beta @ an led rainbow keyboard doesn’t realize that they just suck.

[Mandudez]

All of these people trying to down play the cheating issue sure do have a low post count. It's almost like you are all shills and hope we are too dumb to notice lol.

[Shpy]

:drakeclap:

[geminipestdeath]

because some beta @ an led rainbow keyboard doesn’t realize that they just suck.

Oh man, self burn. Those are rare.

[Lymberey]

Ive met 3 cheaters in a month, even 2 in the same match on the opposing team.
They walk really fast, pretty much sprinting even in combat, and doesn't stand still when CC'ed, which is pretty obvious from an Ice Mage perspective.

Good for you for not noticing or meeting them for that long, but i just cannot say the same.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

1. Telling everyone else to get good in a team sport that relies on the rest of the team being good also is not the own you think it is.

2. Related to the first, in a team based situation with awful communication tools if they added de ranking I'd never play ranked again. There's too much garbage in the mode for that to be a thing I want to see.

Too many matches where I tried to carry as sage while my party sat at the bottom of the chart and ran face first into death. Even ignoring cheaters without team or at the very least duo queuing you're putting everyone at the mercy of a system that's fundamentally broken (server ping, Purify) Unbalanced (job kits, CC spam where some have none), and exploitable (scripts, cheaters, etc).

I'll pass.

[iVolke]

1000 matches and only 800 cred...?

[Saucy_Jack]

There’s two types of players who call out cheating in CC

1. The type of player who knows every ability of every kit and is absolutely sure it must be a cheat due to an obvious indicator like consistently getting CCed the instant you LB

2. The type of player who sees their CC slide off someone due to paean shield and calls it a cheat because they don’t know how any kit works aside from the 5-6 meta jobs.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is cheating, but I also wouldn’t be surprised at all if there’s a lot of people who don’t know how kits aside from the 5-6 meta job kits work, and just call cheats as a form of copium. I’m willing to bet there’s a large overlap between players who think “they must be cheating because they didn’t stop when I CCed them” and players who don’t realize enemy bards can grant a spammable one time CC barrier because why would anyone learn how a trash non-meta(TM) job works

I’ll never understand why some people try to call cheats so often without at least learning how all the abilities for all the jobs work. It’s braindead stupid to so frequently say the game isn’t working the way it should, when you don’t even fully know how it’s supposed to work to begin with.

[Gserpent]

1000 matches and only 800 cred...?

You tend to see high matches for people that play a lot, especially outside of prime time when the high skill players tend to be playing. I've had Kick Rox in my games numerous times, they're a solid player.

[exarion]

The amount of cheating varies quite a lot by datacenter. At least among the NA datacenters, I've heard that Crystal has the least cheating and Aether has the most. As someone who actually plays on Aether, this doesn't surprise me. We previously had the worst win trader in all of CC as our number 1, another major win trader in third, and even more known wintraders and speedhackers in the top 30. I could easily find 3 clips from 3 different streamers showing one specific player in our top 30 speedhacking. I have personally been invited to join a "premade" that was really just a wintrading group and seen a player outside the top 100 blatantly speedhacking. While I haven't directly seen anyone from Aether starting threads about cheating, it's very much a problem on our datacenter.