One House Per Data Center

[Nepentha]

I’m entirely serious. Until they can design a housing system that’s not limited, they actually have to make the decisions to ensure a heavily limited housing system is as equal as possible for the player base that’s grown much faster than available plots.

If we stopped getting band aid fixes on top of each other and an actual roadmap to improve all aspects of the system, including things like the asinine restrictions on placing certain objects, we wouldn’t need this discussion anyway. For a system that the community and SE champion so much, it’s hard to actually have faith in what they’re doing to improve it when the communication sucks unless they’re apologising to us (see 6 blog posts on raffles as a prime example of this).

The thing is, they aren't going to. This has been hashed and rehashed in dozens of posts on this forum over the years and they have said repeatedly they are not going to do this.

[Shibi]

...There should only be one house per data center and that's it. That's what should be fair.

How about just not making a shitty system worse? Direct your energy at asking SE for more and better housing instead of thinking up more punishment in the name of fairness. That's the one true fair path.

Edit: And to explain this further, hopefully so a few people understand better, the more we call to punish people to make housing more exclusive, the more likely SE is to mistake our calls and do just that, make housing harder to get.

Because that's what they will think we want!

Instead, put all energy into asking for better and more housing. Which gives no mixed messages to Yoshi-P that we like this exclusive, hard to get trophy housing. Make it clear we need more housing to go around - using whatever method they can do it with - but do it avoiding suggestion that make restrictions worse.

Let's move away from "we love housing extreme so much, but now let's make it harder for people so we can do Housing Ultimate!"

[Johners]

How about just not making a shitty system worse? Direct your energy at asking SE for more and better housing instead of thinking up more punishment in the name of fairness. That's the one true fair path.

Edit: And to explain this further, hopefully so a few people understand better, the more we call to punish people to make housing more exclusive, the more likely SE is to mistake our calls and do just that, make housing harder to get.

Because that's what they will think we want!

Instead, put all energy into asking for better and more housing. Which gives no mixed messages to Yoshi-P that we like this exclusive, hard to get trophy housing. Make it clear we need more housing to go around - using whatever method they can do it with - but do it avoiding suggestion that make restrictions worse.

Let's move away from "we love housing extreme so much, but now let's make it harder for people so we can do Housing Ultimate!"

Your argument falls apart after the first sentence. I totally agree that Square Enix should work to improve the housing system but unless they're willing to move away from the current ward system, they should be enforcing the one house rule for every character or FC, including retroactive application onto the existing ruleset.

The size of the player base has grown at a much faster rate than the total number of available plots even with the addition of an entirely new housing area. Combine that with legacy scenarios of individuals or FCs owning multiple plots, and there's clearly not enough for everyone. Even with retroactive application there wouldn't be enough but at least it would provide more opportunities for the newer players to land a proper housing plot (Harry Potter cupboard apartments or FC rooms don't count unless those get proper improvements as well). There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Realistically I'd like to see this:

• One personal plot per DC per game license
• One house-owning FC per DC per game license
• 30 or 60 auto demolition timer that's only skipped for the first occurance after an expansion launches
• Improvements to apartments/FC rooms so there's a second room and a balcony/greenhouse for planting onions
• Improvements to customisation options for placing objects so less/no glitching is required
• To follow on from above, a specific customisation option to remove those interior pillars on the walls

[Yodada]

There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.[/LIST]

But do you know that this specific "FC" you are reffering to is not only one FC and not only one Subscription? I mean before you gonna laughed at for your Strawman.

[Nepentha]

Your argument falls apart after the first sentence. I totally agree that Square Enix should work to improve the housing system but unless they're willing to move away from the current ward system, they should be enforcing the one house rule for every character or FC, including retroactive application onto the existing ruleset.

The size of the player base has grown at a much faster rate than the total number of available plots even with the addition of an entirely new housing area. Combine that with legacy scenarios of individuals or FCs owning multiple plots, and there's clearly not enough for everyone. Even with retroactive application there wouldn't be enough but at least it would provide more opportunities for the newer players to land a proper housing plot (Harry Potter cupboard apartments or FC rooms don't count unless those get proper improvements as well). There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Realistically I'd like to see this:

• One personal plot per DC per game license
• One house-owning FC per DC per game license
• 30 or 60 auto demolition timer that's only skipped for the first occurance after an expansion launches
• Improvements to apartments/FC rooms so there's a second room and a balcony/greenhouse for planting onions
• Improvements to customisation options for placing objects so less/no glitching is required
• To follow on from above, a specific customisation option to remove those interior pillars on the walls

One house per DC. Halone give me strength, you cannot possibly enforce that. Especially with FCs. Nor should they. This is ridiculous that we have players actually advocating to take away things from people who got them within the rules at the time. Energies are better spent elsewhere, because SE has said more than once that they have no intention of reversing the grandfathering decision.

I don't care how much you want this to happen. The solution isn't to take away. The solution is to increase supply, even if it's done by re-thinking how housing is done and building a new system that is all inclusive without this artificial scarcity.

[Themarvin]

How about just not making a shitty system worse? Direct your energy at asking SE for more and better housing instead of thinking up more punishment in the name of fairness. That's the one true fair path.

Edit: And to explain this further, hopefully so a few people understand better, the more we call to punish people to make housing more exclusive, the more likely SE is to mistake our calls and do just that, make housing harder to get.

Because that's what they will think we want!

Instead, put all energy into asking for better and more housing. Which gives no mixed messages to Yoshi-P that we like this exclusive, hard to get trophy housing. Make it clear we need more housing to go around - using whatever method they can do it with - but do it avoiding suggestion that make restrictions worse.

Let's move away from "we love housing extreme so much, but now let's make it harder for people so we can do Housing Ultimate!"

So you don't like the lottery system and FC's being 30 days old before a buy and that transfer of leadership also require someone to have been member for 30 days aka... you need 2 months to resell an FC and make yourself more visible?

And also indirectly telling that 'clicking' a placecard untill it opens is better or have bots doing it for you is a good idea.

I don't see the point to down vote current lottery system and new rules especially in how to do the new ways of FC's run, would even suggest to enhance the system that all 4 members before buying a house also need 30 FC days on their back.

Current system is good, more houses later and more wards will open up for personal housing as well, as in how they did previous times.

[Kyssa]

House flippers do not care about the 30 day requirement- hell, this whole messed up situation just gave them more time to make their pixelated real estate more attractive to a potential buyer.


I am for the lottery, given it works, over the old click system- but honestly, until everyone can acquire a home (instanced housing or endless wards)- the system is never going to "work as intended". Found this yesterday- I cringe to think how hard it may be to get an FC plot on the next lottery round due to flippers.

[Drkdays]

Can alts still buy FC houses, regardless of how many homes they own, in any fashion, on other characters?

If yes, housing is still critically broken.

If no, then the new system seems acceptable.

[Illmaeran]

Can alts still buy FC houses, regardless of how many homes they own, in any fashion, on other characters?

As far as I know, yes, each character can own both a personal and FC house.

They really should make a limit of one personal and one FC house per data center, per account, going forward. While there are people abusing the system, it's best to not punish legitimate players who were able to get multiple plots in the past following the rules of the time.

[LaylaTsarra]

As far as I know, yes, each character can own both a personal and FC house.

No alts can't buy a personal house if the main owns a personal house on a particular server. The intent was one FC and one private but FC's are being abused by abusing the leadership privilege's.

Back in 4.2 the rules changed to allow only one private house per account per server. That is working as intended. I think it's important to point out that alts still can't share a house with their main which is totally ridiculous.