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    Bloodborne's Avatar
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    FFXIV need an anti Cheat, PvP isn't healthy anymore

    SE need to put an anti cheat the same way big companies use an anticheat in their products.

    I don't know if SE is aware that people are using a third party to farm ressources, dungeons and win PvP against others which make the PvP once again trash and unhealthy.

    I don't understand also why SE put rules preventing people from leaving a PvP match when they are facing cheaters or Wintraders. Maybe SE cares more about cheaters now?

    I can give the name of the cheat engine, the website and even the discord where people discuss and arrange matches.
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    Anti-cheats don't work and just punish the non cheating end user. They just need a more accurate reporting tool.

    I'd rather not have some software bloating my cpu which wont even stop the hardcore cheaters.
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    Anti-cheats don't work and just punish the non cheating end user. They just need a more accurate reporting tool.

    I'd rather not have some software bloating my cpu which wont even stop the hardcore cheaters.
    They'd work in shutting down the mod scene. Chat bubbles and the like. People with a long term investment in their accounts, for the most part, won't risk it, and those types of devs typically won't get into an arms races with anticheat devs.

    What it wouldn't do is stop RMT. Their accounts are disposable anyways. Their devs will get into the arms race both because there's money involved, and no personal/emotional attachment to disposable accounts.

    That said, there is a lot of downsides to anticheat anyways. Frequently they have performance issues, as you mention. And in FF14, it'd severely damage the RP, housing, and raid communities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    They'd work in shutting down the mod scene. Chat bubbles and the like. People with a long term investment in their accounts, for the most part, won't risk it, and those types of devs typically won't get into an arms races with anticheat devs.

    What it wouldn't do is stop RMT. Their accounts are disposable anyways. Their devs will get into the arms race both because there's money involved, and no personal/emotional attachment to disposable accounts.

    That said, there is a lot of downsides to anticheat anyways. Frequently they have performance issues, as you mention. And in FF14, it'd severely damage the RP, housing, and raid communities.
    The next question is what sane person would want an anticheat to deal with benign stuff like chatbubble plugins. Folks shouldnt accept one sour grape spoiling the bunch.
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    What it wouldn't do is stop RMT. Their accounts are disposable anyways. Their devs will get into the arms race both because there's money involved, and no personal/emotional attachment to disposable accounts.
    the devs need to forget about the disposable RMT bots, seriously. they need concentrate on and action on the buyers. if people stop buying, the RMT bots will dry up. going after the bots is a waste of time. if they start handing out game vacations for buying, I am positive it will diminish the gil buying player base if your account is on the line.
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    this is just one of those things that putting up a 10ft wall will just make people grab a 12ft ladder at the expense of the average player/user

    what they should do is make it easier for themselves to collect data from matches/players in order to more swiftly determine who's cheating and punish them accordingly
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    Quote Originally Posted by grinkdaboy View Post
    this is just one of those things that putting up a 10ft wall will just make people grab a 12ft ladder at the expense of the average player/user

    what they should do is make it easier for themselves to collect data from matches/players in order to more swiftly determine who's cheating and punish them accordingly
    Sometimes I question if it's less that they don't have the data and more that they don't know what they're supposed to be looking for because things like the Sprint buff not falling off after actions or Guard not affecting a player's movement speed or should in theory be painfully easy to detect.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 05-14-2022 at 08:07 PM.

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    An anti-cheat for FFXIV would harm everyone, no exceptions.
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    I guarantee OP hasn't actually ran into any cheating in pvp.
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    You're wrong, i've been facing cheaters since the feast was a thing with people stun or silence you the moment the press the LB button.
    Wasn't aware back then what's going on, till i found out about the programe cheaters are using and seen a dude using it in stream.

    "FFXIV" is good but cheaters are turning honest players into "Minion" for them to farm... If you see what I mean
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    Last edited by Bloodborne; 05-14-2022 at 04:56 PM.

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