Ok so looks like people are still taking advantage and getting multiple houses.

[Markfresh]

I just stumbled across this.
From the comments people seem to think that its 1 FC that's made sub FC's and bought a heap of houses which is well unfair but i imagine legal.
What i would like to know is how they didn't get the 0 bug, i mean i know some people have been successful but this is multiple houses all without the bug.
This is a new server so cant be grandfathering.

[Heh]

They did get the 0 bug on plot number 1,2,3,9,10 etc

[KuroMaboroshi]

EDIT: I was proven mistaken further down. Gonna leave the post itself up, but you may ignore this.

Have a close look at where that ward is:
>The Goblet

The only new plots added was the new housing area in Ishgard. Ward 2 of the Goblet has existed since the day housing was first released to this game years ago. All those empty plots are presumably caused by people moving to Ishgard, but obviously that FC is staying there because they own multiple houses there and they can not move those because if they tried to move them the "only one house per FC" rule that exists would stop them. But back when housing was first released, different rules applied, including being able to own multiple houses both privately an as a Free Company. People who obtained multiple houses legally back then did not lose them when the rules changed, since it would be pretty awful to punish people for doing something that was 100% okay when they did it.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

[Jojoya]

It happens because there's no competition for FC plots, workshops can be lucrative and the player involved will have multiple service accounts to assist in obtaining all those houses (though I doubt very much each is on a separate service account)

SE chose to leave loopholes in the system so players will naturally take advantage. Sometimes I don't think it's as much to upset other players (though it obviously does) but rather to rub in SE's face how idiotic their attempts to automate policing of the system are and to prove that SE does not actually care about their own rules.

Have a close look at where that ward is:
>The Goblet

The only new plots added was the new housing area in Ishgard. Ward 2 of the Goblet has existed since the day housing was first released to this game years ago. All those empty plots are presumably caused by people moving to Ishgard, but obviously that FC is staying there because they own multiple houses there and they can not move those because if they tried to move them the "only one house per FC" rule that exists would stop them. But back when housing was first released, different rules applied, including being able to own multiple houses both privately an as a Free Company. People who obtained multiple houses legally back then did not lose them when the rules changed, since it would be pretty awful to punish people for doing something that was 100% okay when they did it.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

Sephorit is one of the Materia worlds that just opened in January. None of their housing was available until this patch. It is impossible for any of that to be grandfathered.

Hope that clears up your confusion.

[KuroMaboroshi]

Sephorit is one of the Materia worlds that just opened in January. None of their housing was available until this patch. It is impossible for any of that to be grandfathered.

Hope that clears up your confusion.

It does indeed. I don't know all the server names by heart, so I wasn't aware this on is on OCE. In that case, consider my attempt at an explanation retracted and I would also be curious to know how this happened.

[Jojoya]

It does indeed. I don't know all the server names by heart, so I wasn't aware this on is on OCE. In that case, consider my attempt at an explanation retracted and I would also be curious to know how this happened.

Because SE allows it.

The restriction is that an account does not have a character on the same account that "owns as buyer" a FC house on the same world. "Owns as buyer" means the character must be in a FC and was the purchaser of the house that FC owns. If the character leaves that FC, it no longer "owns as buyer" and so any character on the account (including that one) is able to purchase another FC house as long as they have been in their current FC at least 30 days.

It does take multiple service accounts to pull off but it's "legal" under the stated rules. Multiple house ownership has never stopped being a thing. SE has only made it more difficult to accomplish.

Which raises the question why there are so many FCs with the same tag winning the lottery in places such as the goblet, even with the 30 days and 4 fc member rule measure in place, they were prepared for this housing measure prior of release it almost seem like.

I've no doubt they started making plans back in November when the new data center was announced and were ready to start setting up characters and FCs when it opened in January. They couldn't afford to wait since SE hadn't released the information about how long the new member period would last.

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Potential loopholes in the rules were very easy to spot. Of course there were people ready to capitalize on them with SE's lack of past enforcement of housing rules. They know they would not be stopped, nor would anything be taken away from them.

SE probably felt that the lottery RNG would reduce the occurrences but they also failed to realize the demand for FC housing just is not there. There is no RNG when there is no competition for the plots. Setting aside 18 wards was a field day for those prepared, especially on a new data center where demand was almost non-existent compared to the supply.

[Shibi]

Have a close look at where that ward is:
>The Goblet

The only new plots added was the new housing area in Ishgard. Ward 2 of the Goblet has existed since the day housing was first released to this game years ago. All those empty plots are presumably caused by people moving to Ishgard, but obviously that FC is staying there because they own multiple houses there and they can not move those because if they tried to move them the "only one house per FC" rule that exists would stop them. But back when housing was first released, different rules applied, including being able to own multiple houses both privately an as a Free Company. People who obtained multiple houses legally back then did not lose them when the rules changed, since it would be pretty awful to punish people for doing something that was 100% okay when they did it.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

Yeah nah, as Jojoya says, this on Materia. (OCE)

Goblet is only one day old here when that picture is taken. No grandfathering.

Same person has done it on all five servers in Materia, taken Goblet 2, five times over.

I can imagine how it would be worse if the zero bug didn't happen, but there is the next round eventually, so everyone expects to see then take the whole ward five times over.

Which is an impressive feat, really. World first at owning anentire DC's housing, easily beating grandfathered <<lucis>> on Spriggin, isn't it?

EDIT: Seems their empire is growing

16-20 homes now on day two of goblet on each of the five servers.

[lorthera]

Which is an impressive feat, really. World first at owning anentire DC's housing, easily beating grandfathered <<lucis>> on Spriggin, isn't it?

That's the thing, it's not grandfathered. Nothing about ownership permissions has changed. Spriggan isn't "grandfathered". If you're looking for a grandfathered ward owner, that would be the Mateus group. This person is doing this within the guidelines of the system.

The ownership limitations is 1 Personal per server and 1 FC that you, the player, have PURCHASED FROM THE PLACARD. This limitation does not factor in people who have been transferred lead through any means (EX: manual transfer, inactive leadership transfer, etc.). With transfers in mind, a player can theoretically own up to 8 FC houses per server. Assuming 1 is purchased from the placard, and the other 7 have had ownership transferred to the player through any means. The 6.1 changes to the passage of FC leadership/purchase permissions were a way to curb this (or at least make it so that people really have to think about who they're transferring leadership to).

What this person did was make multiple FCs on Materia (likely when they opened the DC up), let them sit for 30 days (with all their alts in there for 30 days too), and then bid on plots in the lottery. They likely shuffled alts around across multiple accounts in order to reset the placard purchase flag (if you leave a fc it resets the flag that goes up when you purchase a fc from the placard). What they did, unfortunately, is completely within the guidelines of our system.

Is it frustrating? Yes. Am I disagreeing with you for being annoyed? No. Do I think Squenix needs to reevaluate how they handle these permissions with a finite housing system? Yes. But I'm correcting the fact that Square Enix did not "grandfather" anything with 6.0/6.1. The only difference between Spriggan and this Materia ward owner is the lottery system and the 30 day FC restriction. That's literally it.

[Papi_Chai]

Yeah nah, as Jojoya says, this on Materia. (OCE)

Goblet is only one day old here when that picture is taken. No grandfathering.

Same person has done it on all five servers in Materia, taken Goblet 2, five times over.

I can imagine how it would be worse if the zero bug didn't happen, but there is the next round eventually, so everyone expects to see then take the whole ward five times over.

Which is an impressive feat, really. World first at owning anentire DC's housing, easily beating grandfathered <<lucis>> on Spriggin, isn't it?

EDIT: Seems their empire is growing

16-20 homes now on day two of goblet on each of the five servers.

In the latest Announcement, Yoshi P mentioned:

"While some plots underwent the lottery process and are displaying the results as intended"

I think this implies that all people who've got their plots already will keep their houses.

Which raises the question why there are so many FCs with the same tag winning the lottery in places such as the goblet, even with the 30 days and 4 fc member rule measure in place, they were prepared for this housing measure prior of release it almost seem like.

Of course everything I said hinges on that comment in the latest Yoshi P announcement, I could be jumping to conclusions here.

Each FC with airships and subs can generate about 400k a day, you're allowed 1 FC per world per character even with the new rules; not to mention the ones grandfathered over from the previous patches. This is a extremely effective Gil farm and RMT websites buy wholesale from these FC owners.

I don't know how we can fix this, but SE should be at least aware of this.

[TwistedTea]

Each FC with airships and subs can generate about 400k a day, you're allowed 1 FC per world per character even with the new rules; not to mention the ones grandfathered over from the previous patches. This is a extremely effective Gil farm and RMT websites buy wholesale from these FC owners.

There might be a minority of FC owners who sell workshop gil to RMT websites.

However, generating gil via the workshop is highly inefficient when you can use crafting/gathering/undercutting bots 24/7 to generate RMT gil

It takes 3- 4 months and millions of gil to get a workshop to the point where it can generate ~400k a day.

There are quite a number of RMTers in popular XIV discords and subreddits who openly discuss their methods because they think SE's TOS enforcement is a joke.