Is GShade allowed?

[Welsper59]

1: Be a saint and use nothing
2: Use what you want and be quiet
3: Cry on forum

Unsurprisingly we're the largest community I can think of that has a problem with that, particularly #2 lol.

It's really funny to me that most people are accepting of the idea that while Discord and the like are 3rd party tools, they're clearly not applicable to the ToS in context. Yet, when it comes to GShade, despite their defense about how it doesn't do anything to the games files/folders, they're extremely hesitant. Almost as if they DON'T know as much about GShade as they claim if its drawing so much hesitation. Normally in other communities, such things are left to following #2 on that list, but not here lol.

[Oopsy]

People who care about other peoples add-ons are cringe.

I haven't heard a single good argument for why you care. "T-t-t-t-the TOS" isn't an argument. Why do you care?

Was there ever an argument? It was a question, is it allowed or not. Official stance stated multiple times by SE is: ALL THIRD PARTY TOOLS VIOLATE THE ELUA/TOS

A debate is pointless.
We could argue about how it could cause problems...
but SE has address that too.
They do not make the program so they do not control what is in it.
They can not ensure that it is currently and will remain safe in the future.
Additionally they can not go through every piece of software out there to determine if it is safe, not safe, if it hacks, if it gives an unfair advantage.

So the answer is... ALL THIRD PARTY TOOLS VIOLATE THE ELUA/TOS.
The punishment... is on a scale and based off internal policy that does not need to be disclosed and can change as needed to address new and changing issues facing the business.

So how should you handle it? Well SE also addressed that too.... They said use at your own risk, both to computer/privacy and to potential ban. Do you feel lucky?

I do not know what can be made any more clear about this. If you want to know, read the producer letter ummm 57? where this was addressed like 3 years ago.

We could argue about if it is fair or not...
But you signed an agreement saying you would follow SE's rules so... Its fair.

We could argue if it effects the game unfairly by giving the users of it an advantage...
And... well... we cant be sure one way or another... There are so many variations on it... and clearly some make AOE skills easier to spot, so that's an advantage... There are some changes that lower the details so that the computer can process the information faster or that cut out physics or reduce them so it can work faster... and that too could be advantageous... So... while some use may be less of an advantage and can even work to your determent its not 100% clear. So... best to just leave it up to the GM.

And we have gotten a lot of feed back from SE... Don't show and tell, and we wont know....
Seems like a pretty decent way of saying, we got more important things to worry about, leave us be and let us focus on development work.

[Klytania]

Was there ever an argument? It was a question, is it allowed or not. Official stance stated multiple times by SE is: ALL THIRD PARTY TOOLS VIOLATE THE ELUA/TOS

A debate is pointless.
We could argue about how it could cause problems...
but SE has address that too.
They do not make the program so they do not control what is in it.
They can not ensure that it is currently and will remain safe in the future.
Additionally they can not go through every piece of software out there to determine if it is safe, not safe, if it hacks, if it gives an unfair advantage.

So the answer is... ALL THIRD PARTY TOOLS VIOLATE THE ELUA/TOS.
The punishment... is on a scale and based off internal policy that does not need to be disclosed and can change as needed to address new and changing issues facing the business.

So how should you handle it? Well SE also addressed that too.... They said use at your own risk, both to computer/privacy and to potential ban.

I do not know what can be made any more clear about this. If you want to know, read the producer letter ummm 57? where this was addressed like 3 years ago.

None of this answered my question. Why do you, or anyone care?

[Oopsy]

None of this answered my question. Why do you, or anyone care?

What was the title of the thread?
Is it why do we care "Is GShade allowed?"? Nopes.

Why do you care? Who is saying they care about anything?

The answer to the question for the thread requires no emotional debate. The answer is in ink and video.

A person asked a question. I like answering questions that I know the answer to. That is why I care enough to respond.

[Klytania]

What was the title of the thread?
Is it why do we care "Is GShade allowed?"? Nopes.

Why do you care? Who is saying they care about anything?

The answer to the question for the thread requires no emotional debate. The answer is in ink and video.

A person asked a question. I like answering questions that I know the answer to. That is why I care enough to respond.

Clearly people care. Especially those that report harmless add-ons that don't effect them in any way shape or form.

[kaynide]

That's all well and good until you see the massive discrepancy: why would they host screenshot contests where they feature GShade screenshots? Why does the official Twitter retweet GShade screenshots on occasion? They're not keeping their own guidelines consistent even on their own website and Twitter.

I would honestly be surprised if the intern/social media guy/ whoever was picking the screenshots even knew they had gshade. And because of this blowup I imagine his job just got more troublesome because now he has to waste time filtering/trying to discern/sorting through screenshots to try to remove the Gshade ones (assuming they would disqualify them), or decide gshade is fine to use, which would be unfair to people who can’t or don’t use it with “less pretty” shots.

End result, they just stop having screenshot contests entirely or just decide shaders in general are fine because I can’t imagine they want to waste time trying to figure out if a shot is doctored or not.

Personally, I think they should just allow shaders/stuff tied to your video card, because a lot of people have things like the GeForce experience or Gshade or whatever. Like people said it’s similar to adjusting a monitor.


Clarity would be appreciated; even something like “any software that modifies, reads or interacts with game files is against ToS. We don’t care if your video card is altering colors, or if you have other software you use to play as long as it doesn’t modify the actual game.” Aka Discord is fine if you are just doing voice chat.

The problem comes in that people simply don’t read. If anything this past week has shown me people are incredibly ignorant of the ToS/prohibited actions despite screaming how unfair they are. Any inch the devs give would become feet upon feet of “well they said discord was fine, so every function it can do is fine”.

[Curisu]

And this is the perfect example of why we don't see any CM posting stuff on the forums.

People will dig out post's from the beginning of time and take them as argument or proof of something.

Thing's change with the time and so it is on what is allowed and what not.

[SwingLifeAway]

And this is the perfect example of why we don't see any CM posting stuff on the forums.

People will dig out post's from the beginning of time and take them as argument or proof of something.

Thing's change with the time and so it is on what is allowed and what not.

Maybe if they posted more than once a decade people wouldn't have to dig out posts from the beginning of time to find answers to their questions?

[IckeDerTyp]

Nowadays it seems like all the w-word people left wow for this.

Witchhunters and pjw's are unique to this community now, seemingly.

Let's meet up in IF and share mods~

[rxantos]

Treat it like fight club. It has only two rules:
Rule #1 You do not talk about fight club.
Rule #2 See rule #1