My Proposal on Recent Drama

[Caitlyn]

Or... or, just hear me out.

Play the game as it is.

Even that isnt possible anymore. That would require a massive change in the whole community.

[Canadane]

Even that isnt possible anymore. That would require a massive change in the whole community.

I know it'll be tough for some people, but we can make it through this and play this video game!

[Theodric]

Telling SE to hire people for a non-issue while they refuse to hire people for actual issues the game has suffered from for years.

This will go well.

How is it a 'non-issue' when we've seen an established trend for the development team to change and add things in order to increase the number of quality of life features that players have access to?

I say this as someone who loathes the use of mods. I don't blame people for making use of them, I simply think they make a lot of people far too complacent. As someone who argued endlessly for more customisation features for player characters over the years - particularly for male characters - it rubbed me the wrong way when players who heavily modded their character tried to tell me to do the same or proposed that resources didn't need to be used because mods solved the problems I had with the lack of short, masculine hairstyles and muscle definition.

I know we're now getting an update to the quality of player character models, of course - but my example still holds weight, I hope.

There's also arguably a responsibility for companies to be flexible enough to adapt to consumer trends. They certainly don't appear to have any issue doing it when it comes to certain other angles...

[Anhra]

I think this Dumpster Fire can continue for a few Weeks more, since it clearly shows the true nature of the award winning best MMO Community in all its Glory.

[Anvaire]

TBH i think even if all of these third party UI adjustments were native, people would still go out and use additonal third party UI adjustments, they would always find something they want different. No matter what the devs do, for some it will never be enough because the type of customisation that the people who use these want, is impossible for the devs to fully provide for.

Themes is a prime example of this. They added white theme, they added classic blue, but there are people who wanted purple, or minimilistic or spongebob squarepants colours... essentially its a viscious circle.

That said, i do think its good the devs acknowledge they need to improve the UI but i think they need to provide an engine for people to suggest things to add. But i think this is something that is sorely needed regardless. A generic give your feedback on the forum is fine, but it doesnt solve the issue of it being a chaotic unorganised mess.

[Jaquan]

I think this Dumpster Fire can continue for a few Weeks more, since it clearly shows the true nature of the award winning best MMO Community in all its Glory.

That it has its bad apples in there? We all knew it was there just like add-ons were. We just chose to be quiet about it. Ultimately we all screwed up here.

If streamers followed the unspoken rule we wouldn't be here.
If 5chan brigade didn't smell blood in the water we wouldn't be here.
If SE did not release the "letter" regarding the 3rd party tools we wouldn't be here.
If some JP players weren't butthurt about losing World First we wouldn't be here.
If Neverend didn't have automated call outs clear to hear and see on the stream we wouldn't be here.

And it goes on.

[Banggugyangu]

You entirely missed the point of this whole thread... The problem right now isn't the existence of 3rd party tools or the terms of service. As many have already said, the terms of service is very cut and dry. Mods are going to exist regardless of what the Dev team's stance is. What isn't cut and dry is the actions taken against those who have chosen to use 3rd party tools. Only when it becomes as egregious as it has recently do we see the waves of banning for them like the last few days. All of this isn't the problem. If SE decided to ban with no prejudice anyone who uses anything at all, that's fine. I'll still play the game and I'll still follow the rules. That's a completely foolish mindset to take, though, and the Dev team knows that.

I'll pose this question, and to quote your own words, "hear me out..." If the game is great as is, why would you not want it to become even better? Why is it such a bad thing for SE to establish a team that evaluates the mods that are going to exist regardless, determine which functionalities the game can benefit from, and integrate those functionalities into the game itself? Why is such a bad thing for SE to implement a workshop of sorts for purely aesthetic mods that do nothing to affect gameplay and are purely client-side, meaning if you don't implement said mods from said sanctioned workshop, then you don't even see them? It was brought to my attention that a long time ago, Gshade and ReShade were already sanctioned by YoshiP, so no reason to further push that. I guess I just missed it when he spoke about it.

Again, the point of this whole thread is to present a solution to the problem, which is the division of the community. By SE determining which functionalities SHOULD be implemented and implementing them, and by creating a sanctioned resource for aesthetic mods, you create a situation where no longer are the benign 3rd party tools breaking any rules. By SE determining which are beneficial and which are not, you have them preventing allowing mods that lead to situations where gameplay design will be adjusted to accommodate them.

Now, if you're of the stance that aesthetic mods affect you... GTFO... There is no legitimate argument to that whatsoever... If you're going to try to throw the UI mods that give extra information that YoshiP was referencing in the post about this recently, those aren't purely aesthetic, so they don't fall under this category.

[Necrotica]

Gshade has a definate effect though. If you use it, you are happier while playing and able to play for longer.

Those without it are forced to stare at a bland lifeless screen that reminds them that all life will fade to a colorless state of depression.

Gshade is probably one of the most OP mods in the game.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

Sooner or later, if this whole situation gets more out of hand then SE will take drastic action by going for the actual mod/plugin devs, people have gotten way too comfortable and since some streamers got caught, people are blowing this whole thing out of proportion.

People are trying to rebel hoping it could change SE and Yoshi's stance but they are only making it worse for everyone.

"Don't show, Don't Tell" how is it so hard for people to understanding the "Fight Club" rule?

[Kisshu]

"Don't show, Don't Tell" how is it so hard for people to understanding the "Fight Club" rule?

Honestly think this is part of the root of the current issues. All the times SE has given the "don't use 3rd party tools" they told us that they can't monitor user-side. But some streamers decided to both show and tell their 3rd party tools live to thousands of people online. Both having the cake and eating it too.