Third party software

[HolyReign]

It's sad people are so adamant about the need to use Addons/Mods, how sad is it that people need these to do end-game content.

[Inanegrain]

It's sad people are so adamant about the need to use Addons/Mods, how sad is it that people need these to do end-game content.

It's not needed, have you even cleared a tier.

[HolyReign]

It's not needed, have you even cleared a tier.

Why would I need to, clear a tier, to understand why people are using these addons/mods/changes in high-end content? QoL? No, just like it is in WoW, people make use of these, "Tools", to make sure they have to put minimal effort into clearing content.

[HyoMinPark]

Why would I need to, clear a tier, to understand why people are using these addons/mods/changes in high-end content? QoL? No, just like it is in WoW, people make use of these, "Tools", to make sure they have to put minimal effort into clearing content.

You really shouldn’t assume that you know what you’re talking about when it comes to content you don’t even do. You know what they say about those who assume…

It’s also really funny to see posts like this talking about raiders putting in the minimal amount of effort. With all due respect, they aren’t the portion of the playerbase that things from job design to content design are getting simplified for. They also aren’t the first group to start complaining the second something pops up in the MSQ or in casual content that requires a modicum of effort.

[HolyReign]

You really shouldn’t assume that you know what you’re talking about when it comes to content you don’t even do. You know what they say about those who assume…

Well you're assuming that, FFXIV's Raiding scene, is so unique, that any previous experience in any other MMO's should be ignored, because, of that high horse you seem to be riding.

But you're right, man, I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about, from any other source.

[dan_alexandre]

Well you're assuming that, FFXIV's Raiding scene, is so unique, that any previous experience in any other MMO's should be ignored, because, of that high horse you seem to be riding.

But you're right, man, I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about, from any other source.

It is a different game designed by the devs to be cleared without addons, they test internally and they only release content that they have proven internally that can be cleared.

I get that some experience can translate to other MMOs but you may be missing nuances here

Edit:
To your earlier point, I don't think you're necessarily wrong regarding some people looking for the easier path, assuming I understood correctly what you were saying but I don't think that's the majority, think most people just look for nice things to have most of the time.. be it looks or something easier to see, smaller convenience stuff.

Edit 2:
If you look at it, part of the fun in this game for many is figuring stuff out, I'm not entirely sure that is the case with WoW with exception to World first raiders perhaps? I may be completely wrong in this but I am assuming that even new players that want to join now, first thing they're told from their friends is to download some UI, DBM and some weak auras. That is a completely different experience, they get to the boss and have stuff telling them things to do from the start and the fun is probably reacting to it instead of figuring it out.

If I am wrong in this, fairplay, I'm not a WoW raider. However the feeling i get from the raiders i know in this game is different, it not about getting stuff told to you automatically in real time for most I know, they just want to see stuff better for most part so they keep track of things. (Buffs/debuffs etc)

[HolyReign]

It is a different game designed by the devs to be cleared without addons, they test internally and they only release content that they have proven internally that can be cleared.

I get that some experience can translate to other MMOs but you're missing nuances here

Could you point out any, "Nuances." that I am missing?

Because from my experience, the Raids are very alike.

1. Know your rotation, synergize your burst windows with raid buff windows.
2. Understand how to identify mechanics, how to avoid them, and what your role is in them.
3. Don't be dumb, and stand in crap, infront of crap, or where crap is being thrown, this will help your support not needing to heal you because you've avoided unnecessary damage.
4. Follow your Raid leaders orders.

Ect.

Content isn't as complex as people make it out to be, that warrant the need to use any addons/mods or 3rd party programs. Game has it's problems, but, creating problems that aren't as bad as people make them out to be, to justify the use of things, that are very clearly stated to be against ToS.

[HyoMinPark]

Well you're assuming that, FFXIV's Raiding scene, is so unique, that any previous experience in any other MMO's should be ignored, because, of that high horse you seem to be riding.

But you're right, man, I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about, from any other source.

There is no high horse here; that is all something you are, once again, assuming with no proof. If you want proof that the raiders aren’t the ones who ask to be able to put in the minimum amount of effort when it comes to clearing content, I suggest you look at any thread on this form demanding nerfs to battle content and then tell me which group of players is advocating for it.

[HolyReign]

There is no high horse here; that is all something you are, once again, assuming with no proof. If you want proof that the raiders aren’t the ones who ask to be able to put in the minimum amount of effort when it comes to clearing content, I suggest you look at any thread on this form demanding nerfs to battle content and then tell me which group of players is advocating for it.

How does advocating nerfs to Battle Content, the same as people advocating the use of Addons?

One are people who, want easier content because they mostly don't have the time to dedicate to turning their game time into a second job.

The other, are people who boast about clearing certain content, all the while making use of addons to clear that content, and want us to believe them using them is purely because of the, "QoL", changes they add.

[dan_alexandre]

It's sad people are so adamant about the need to use Addons/Mods, how sad is it that people need these to do end-game content.

They really don't need to nor anyone is defending they should in this thread. I am however regretting even starting the thread because not only a few threads already exist as well people just distort things.