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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    oh come on, it isn't a small group, I see plenty of male chars running about with female clothes.
    personally, I want some of the male outfits on females at the end of the day gives me more choice.
    The choice you refer to is an illusion. All of us have the ability to fantasia if our current avatar doesn't meet the requirements to wear an outfit. IOW, you still have access to the attire. And before anyone comes around saying they don't want to spend real money just to change, I will need to remind those of the overwhelming willingness to spend real money to get their character to snap their fingers, role play an existing character, etc. On top of that, it also places a demand on the dev team to prevent your own wallets from getting a little lighter.

    Every time I see a male in a bunny outfit, or the like, I see the dev team bending the knee to the loud minority. I see a lost opportunity to create an entirely new outfit that could have been gender neutral where everyone benefits from the actual increase in options.
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    Lihtleita Lonstyrmwyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post

    Every time I see a male in a bunny outfit, or the like, I see the dev team bending the knee to the loud minority. I see a lost opportunity to create an entirely new outfit that could have been gender neutral where everyone benefits from the actual increase in options.
    The only people who have extra work in converting clothing to the other gender is 3d modeling teams. And even then they are adjusting an existing mesh, not making a new one from scratch. The other teams who would be working on clothing from scratch (concept art and texture artists and riggers) have literally no extra work and could begin other projects if they were assigned.
    making existing meshes neutral isn't eating your extra glamours, the cash shop is.
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    Last edited by Lihtleita; 05-13-2022 at 11:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    The only people who have extra work in converting clothing to the other gender is 3d modeling teams. And even then they are adjusting an existing mesh, not making a new one from scratch. The other teams who would be working on clothing from scratch (concept art and texture artists and riggers) have literally no extra work and could begin other projects if they were assigned.
    Gender neutral clothing isn't eating your extra glamours, the cash shop is.
    You mean the same 3d modeling team that after 3 years couldn't figure out how to add more Hrothgar hairstyles without cutting off their ears? Whatever is going on over there, gender-neutral glamours are the absolute last thing they need to be worried about now, much like how the writing and localization teams need to focus on writing a coherent story instead of worrying about beast tribes that use special pronouns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    The only people who have extra work in converting clothing to the other gender is 3d modeling teams. And even then they are adjusting an existing mesh, not making a new one from scratch. The other teams who would be working on clothing from scratch (concept art and texture artists and riggers) have literally no extra work and could begin other projects if they were assigned.
    making existing meshes neutral isn't eating your extra glamours, the cash shop is.
    Thank you Square Enix insider,

    They spent time adjusting 2b's dress to male characters instead of adjusting 9s' outfit for them. ( Both of which are in game and rigged to female model, so none of this arm-chair developer bs ty ) Surely that did not take away from the enjoyment of a large chunk of people for an extremely small minority who happens to wear that glam for jokes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    The only people who have extra work in converting clothing to the other gender is 3d modeling teams. And even then they are adjusting an existing mesh, not making a new one from scratch. The other teams who would be working on clothing from scratch (concept art and texture artists and riggers) have literally no extra work and could begin other projects if they were assigned.
    making existing meshes neutral isn't eating your extra glamours, the cash shop is.
    *sigh* I knew this was coming. I hoped it wouldn't though.

    OK, I think the easiest way for me to explain this is as an assembly line such as a bakery, or mechanical assembly. You are correct, and different teams work on different things. The issue though is that despite this, the overall capacity to do things is based on which process consumes the most time. Using a bakery for example who are making croissants. One team rolls the dough, another forms the croissant, and another actually puts then in the oven and bakes them. The last team has the capacity to bake 100 in an hour. But the first team can only make 50 per hour. So the entire bakery only has the capacity to turn out 50 croissants an hour.

    Using your example, the design team can make outfits all day long, but it is on the 3D modeling team to render them to all races and genders. The attire we get in the game in entirely contingent on the capacity of that team. And everyone in design may not know how to use the same tools and programs the 3D modeling team does, so it is not a matter of just throwing more resources at it. This can actually be counter productive due to training, certification, etc.

    Hope that makes sense.

    Edit to fix unacceptable grammatical errors xD
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    Last edited by Gemina; 05-14-2022 at 02:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    The choice you refer to is an illusion. All of us have the ability to fantasia if our current avatar doesn't meet the requirements to wear an outfit.
    But I like being a femelezen, male elezen either look 12 or french
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I get steamed every time I think about all the time the devs have wasted going back and redesigning existing outfits to accommodate both genders. All to appease such a small group of people who want to make their avatars look ridiculous.
    Hey hey hey! At least Rathalos panties for males looks pretty good!

    Also Frontier Ribbon should be unisex from first
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    while i can see them maybe adding they/them pronouns in the next mmo, i doubt it will be added to this one. sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Book2Ash View Post
    Edit: if you're just going to come and say it's not worth it, please don't comment. If you're going to disparage the queer community, leave.
    The beauty of a forum is that you don't get to dictate who responds to you and how they feel. That is just trying to create an echo chamber.

    IMHO, it would be a titanic waste of dev time to please a small fraction of a community. Also, not gonna say that there already exists ways to do this that just don't mess with the voices, but change everything else...
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    Advantage is fair if you're willing to do something that most others aren't.

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    Obligatory short answer to op: no
    Long non obligatory answer: no, this is a fantasy game, the point isn't to emulate real life societal values. Go somewhere else if you want that.
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