Obligitory Pronouns Request

[MiaShino]

Are you sure? I might just be a shorter au ra male? I wear clothing that is not revealing, androgynous in nature. I couldn't get the chest slider any lower, so I suppose the very small bump near my chest could, but it could also just be stuffing. I stay away from the glamour items usually that give the character larger proportions.

I have seen some pretty darn gender neutral/androgynous characters during my stay in FF14 land. Gooooooood fricken luck deducing mine if am wearing armor!

This has to be one of most harmless threads this Mia has ever seen. Reference text can be altered with code injection no problemo.

[Mosha]

I'm pretty sure gender in dialogue is just a table that the game looks up based on the character's gender and not hardcoded into the dialogue. might be easier to do than people expect.

[Tsukino]

I have no opinions on this change, but all the people saying it would be difficult to implement are not correct. It would actually be quite simple. The game script (in English) already just has a bunch of variables that get replaced with whatever sex you pick when you create your character. All they would have to do is add something to the UI to let people pick from a list, and add those lists into the references. There is no need to edit the script itself at all, and it doesn't matter how long it is or how much they've added to it over the years.

[Alleo]

I have no opinions on this change, but all the people saying it would be difficult to implement are not correct. It would actually be quite simple. The game script (in English) already just has a bunch of variables that get replaced with whatever sex you pick when you create your character. All they would have to do is add something to the UI to let people pick from a list, and add those lists into the references. There is no need to edit the script itself at all, and it doesn't matter how long it is or how much they've added to it over the years.

I really dont get it. If someone wants to be called a she, why not play a female? I always thought that being trans means that you are born in the wrong body and since not everyone can go through a sex change they show it through pronouns. Ingame you can simply start with the gender you really want to be.

And if its about they/them: Please remember that we have more than one language...In Germany we dont have a easy form for "they/them". According to google people need to use "sie/er" (thus both genders) or the english version in their profiles. I dont even know how the other languages would do that. So no its not so easy.

On top of that we are still in a different world with different customs. Why should NPCs (who probably care more about surviving) be able to know that you are going as "they/them" when they have never meet you before? Why should they assume something different?

(But I also cant really wrap my head around non-binary. Its so confusing to me.)

[Ravenwatch]

I see nothing wrong with adding a pronoun feature to characters. It's 2022, and to have them on display for people to see would make it easier to not offend anybody.

They have this already, its called Edit Search Info and it also appears on your adventurer plate.

[Wolwosh]

I really dont get it. If someone wants to be called a she, why not play a female? I always thought that being trans means that you are born in the wrong body and since not everyone can go through a sex change they show it through pronouns. Ingame you can simply start with the gender you really want to be.

Most of my friends do that, but also have fe/male alts because they still like their aesthetic.
I personally think that your own gender has nothing to do with your FF14 character.
You play as a fe/male because you like the way they look and not because you identify as a fe/male so you must play as one!
What I don't see them do though is roll a catboy if they're ftm for example and then glamour on a dress, even though I see many of those on 14 xD

[Gemina]

I don't care what your sex is in real life, I am going to use the respective pronouns based on the sex of your character to refer to your character. If you don't want to be referred to as she, her, hers, then I suggest you play male. If you play a male and want to be referred to as she, her, hers, then I strongly suggest you play a female avatar.

In all honesty, this crap has got to stop and has gotten way out of control. I get steamed every time I think about all the time the devs have wasted going back and redesigning existing outfits to accommodate both genders. All to appease such a small group of people who want to make their avatars look ridiculous.

[Mosha]

I don't care what your sex is in real life, I am going to use the respective pronouns based on the sex of your character to refer to your character. If you don't want to be referred to as she, her, hers, then I suggest you play male. If you play a male and want to be referred to as she, her, hers, then I strongly suggest you play a female avatar.

In all honesty, this crap has got to stop and has gotten way out of control. I get steamed every time I think about all the time the devs have wasted going back and redesigning existing outfits to accommodate both genders. All to appease such a small group of people who want to make their avatars look ridiculous.

oh come on, it isn't a small group, I see plenty of male chars running about with female clothes.
personally, I want some of the male outfits on females at the end of the day gives me more choice.

[aveyond-dreams]

oh come on, it isn't a small group, I see plenty of male chars running about with female clothes.
personally, I want some of the male outfits on females at the end of the day gives me more choice.

I will concede and agree that there are quite a few male-exclusive outfits that I'd like to use on my female characters as well, but the demand is nowhere as high in the other direction. For every male character you see in a dress, there are 10 more who are disappointed with the lack of male character customization options and want things like beards/more masculine hairstyles. The same holds for female characters, with a long-time complaint being the lack of long fantasy heroine hairstyles.

The 3d model work required to adapt these outfits should be redirected towards other projects like addressing the complaints I've mentioned above. As to this pronoun dilemma it appears the English localization team has hinted at something along the lines of this request in an interview by one of the members who essentially replaced Koji, stating that the pixies "laid the groundwork" for something else in the future, something to that effect. That being said I do not consider it a good use of resources, and given the recent failings in the narrative (at least in the English version, maybe JP has better dialogue) I am losing confidence in their ability to tell stories worth listening to and fleshing out future areas we'll visit.

[Mosha]

I will concede and agree that there are quite a few male-exclusive outfits that I'd like to use on my female characters as well, but the demand is nowhere as high in the other direction. For every male character you see in a dress, there are 10 more who are disappointed with the lack of male character customization options and want things like beards/more masculine hairstyles. The same holds for female characters, with a long-time complaint being the lack of long fantasy heroine hairstyles.

The 3d model work required to adapt these outfits should be redirected towards other projects like addressing the complaints I've mentioned above. As to this pronoun dilemma it appears the English localization team has hinted at something along the lines of this request in an interview by one of the members who essentially replaced Koji, stating that the pixies "laid the groundwork" for something else in the future, something to that effect. That being said I do not consider it a good use of resources, and given the recent failings in the narrative (at least in the English version, maybe JP has better dialogue) I am losing confidence in their ability to tell stories worth listening to and fleshing out future areas we'll visit.

I think the player base in general really wants expanded CC features, but getting one doesn't mean we can't have the other, it comes down to more what they want to put their Dev time into what quickly becomes super nuanced but sadly we can't get everything.
Regarding the whole pronoun, I don't really have an opinion on it.

personally I just want to have multiple layers for face decals so I can have both freckles and face paint, oh and be able to wear hats and glasses together.