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  1. #311
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    "Europe has the happiest countries on the planet"

    True. It also has several countries in it (or allied to it) that have committed heinous crimes in their past, under the guise of "spreading their empire". The most notable two being Spain and England. Germany too with the World Wars, but I imagine nowadays they have moved from that.

    Europe has worked hard to improve the lives of its people. It's taken a long time, lots of blood, sweat and tears but now it's at an acceptable point. But that doesn't mean the fights over. We still got a lot of ground to cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    Don't take it too seriously, it's califorina. Even the US snickers behind their back, lol.
    The state has an active "poop patrol" that's state funded. I can't really take references to California seriously, but I humor it to see where it goes.
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    To the OP:

    No, I do not feel it is redundant. When one joins a group or an FC, it is understandable that they may have some trepidation about the nature of the group they are joining. Especially as openly hostile as things are in the real world at the moment.

    There is no harm in advertising that you are LGBTQ+ Friendly. Gaming events at Gen Con, for example, do this.

    It's a good way of letting those who may be experiencing already hateful and unyieldingly merciless criticism of their lives, that there is at least some measure of a safe space for them where they can be themselves, and not worry about persecution.
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    Considering current events in the U.S. no, it is not redundant in the slightest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    Considering current events in the U.S., no, it is not redundant in the slightest.
    What current events in the U.S.? Nothing is happening to the LGBT community. It's not the middle or far east or even the southern continents.

    We have it very good in the west, and people talking about how to streamline policy or remove policies that don't work or harm people is not an attack. It's a logistical issue.

    If you are advertising as LGBT friendly, the question is, why do you feel the need to? Do you not think your game is approachable to everyone who may be interested. Another question is, why do you think people's sexual orientation or particular mental status has anything to do with your video game or event.

    This is just corporations and people trying to capitalise on a particular status to show how good of a person they are and that people should respect them because of it. It has the opposite effect and is more likely to alienate someone because they don't want to be preached to.

    The best thing you could do is just put in policy decisions that treat everyone equally and protect characteristics such as race, sex, age, orientation etc. This gives people objective lines to work within and makes sure everyone is comfortable.

    It's about making a space where everyone can participate civilly in good faith rather than condescending to the majority, which causes more toxicity and feeds into the paranoia of the most extreme members on both sides of the aisle.

    One side sees that and thinks it's the gay plan to get their kids. The other side sees it as a bulwark against a totalitarian theocracy ridden nation wanting to wipe them off the earth when in both cases, these people are mental.

    Most LGBT and straight people don't give a crap and want to have fun with their friends and family.

    The biggest threat to the LGBT community is the people who actively go out and remind everyone about their status at every event, every time they have a conversation, or when someone makes a joke.

    No one likes vegans when they do it.
    No one likes Religious people when they do it.
    No one likes LGBT people when they do it.

    Silence after all is the best defence.
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    Last edited by Vryn; 05-19-2022 at 07:28 PM.

  6. #316
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vryn View Post
    What current events in the U.S.? Nothing is happening to the LGBT community.
    Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

    Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it’s a very real possibility that this overturning could happen in the near future, especially given the new political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs. Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

    LGBTQ+ people in general are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, “conversion therapy” also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it’s medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There’s also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won’t.

    Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

    Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it’s a very real possibility that this overturning could happen in the near future, especially given the new political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs. Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

    LGBTQ+ people in general are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, “conversion therapy” also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it’s medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There’s also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won’t.

    Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?
    The whole trans kids' debate is very incendiary, as a transwoman myself I feel pretty apprehensive about it. I don't think someone under 16 can make those far-reaching decisions and I also don't trust a lot of those parents have the best interests of the child too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

    Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it’s a very real possibility that this overturning could happen in the near future, especially given the new political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs. Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

    LGBTQ+ people in general are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, “conversion therapy” also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it’s medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There’s also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won’t.

    Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?
    Face the wall, comrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.
    What do you mean people are upset about teaching prepubescent children about the topic of sex?!
    What a world we live in, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

    Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it's a very real possibility that this overturning could happen shortly, especially given the recent political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

    LGBTQ+ people, in general, are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, "conversion therapy" also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it's medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There's also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won't.

    Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?
    No, they aren't, your definition of discrimination has never been normal. Every time I have interacted with you have shown this. You thought people not being nice to you and not respecting you when had done nothing to earn it was harassment. The only laws I have seen about blocking transitioning are for children and making the requirements to transition more firm because of the many scandals of people taking HRT only to grow out of it and having to detransition once they have been chemically castrated which is a valid concern to have. As I said, these are logistical issues, not discrimination.

    Marriage is a religious act, and gay people had civil unions beforehand. To legalize gay marriage is to rip the right to worship your religion freely. This means you are striping rights from one group and giving it to another. You cannot force religious groups to accept you, especially when they find your existence wrong. There is no difference between gay marriage and a civil union other than the fact you have forced a church to do it against their belief system, which I believe is unconstitutional as the freedom of religion is a vital principle of the US.

    LGBT, there is no Q or anything plus. The T is a mental condition and isn't even sexual orientation.

    They are at higher risk of suicide because they have had a mental illness, disease, drugs etc., because of the culture the community has fostered these many years. All crimes can be considered hate crimes because crime is harmful to everyone. The fact that you are of a specific orientation doesn't add any more weight to the crime unless you actively admit crimes against LGBT people matter more, which they don't.

    Conversion therapy hasn't been mainstream since the 50-60s. To take acts that would be considered torture today and use that as an excuse to validate your ideology is an extremist position, and you should be ashamed. Also, conversion therapy didn't just happen to LGBT people. It happened to everyone different and the community is a very small percentage of the total population.

    Having males beat the crap out of females under the guise of being a woman is discrimination towards women again. This is a logistical issue, not discrimination. You cant have fully grown males compete with females. They are structurally different and confer biological advantages beyond the norm, and no HRT does not change that.

    Discrimination happens to everyone for many reasons. Sex orientation is only one and it's not the main one. There are many other factors, and you will never get rid of them.

    What you find to be discrimination is not liking that people are human. They will not accept you for being you, especially when they think it can be a detriment to them./ What you find to be discrimination is so minuscule that it is relatively meaningless and within the norm of society. Life comes with hardship your just going to have to accept that and deal with it.

    Time to become an adult and earn the respect you think you deserve.
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    Last edited by Vryn; 05-20-2022 at 04:32 AM.

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