Console Players don't need Addons

[HyoMinPark]

Have always played on PC. Never installed any mod into game.

Okay, and good for you, I guess? With all due respect, I don’t think anyone really cares what you are doing or not doing on your own PC.

I really don’t understand why some people are so concerned about what other people do on their own computers while they’re playing a video game. Especially these people that criticize raiders for using third-party apps while not touching anything harder than a 24-man themselves. Respectfully, this is affecting content that you are not participating in and/or have zero interest in participating in. So why do you care so much? To the point that some are defending and encouraging witch hunts against streamers. GCBTW, indeed.

Add-ons are not required to clear Savage or Ultimate. The streamers that use them absolutely do not need them, and it’s hilarious that people who have never stepped into an Extreme are questioning their skill levels. Some add-ons are QoL features that should honestly exist in this game—like the ReShade filter that made P3S not a physical assault on one’s eyeballs.

Frankly, I can’t even be bothered to keep up with the names of streamers, much less what and which add-ons they use. The only ones that I agree are pushing it are ones that hack invisible AOE indicators into the game. But others I don’t care enough to sit around and mass report them on some sort of crusade like what is happening now. What they do doesn’t affect me in any way.

It would be nice if this kind of effort could be put into things like PvP hackers/botters, wintraders, and crafting/gathering bots. But I guess since they aren’t toxic elitist raiders, it’s different. I feel like there is a horrible double standard at play here sometimes, and it honestly makes me not even want to take part in this community anymore. I barely talk in-game anymore as it is; this kind of behavior of sanctioning witch-hunts because “third-party programs bad heehee let’s mass report streamers just because we can” just makes me embarrassed to be a part of the FFXIV community. The amount of pettiness involved in this entire thing is just mind-boggling.

Don't know rotation. Learn it by playing game.

This game doesn’t teach you your rotation. Never has. You have to look up rotational guides on third-party sites that are formulated via third-party programs.

Want to know how your DPS compares to other party members. Why does it matter as long as the content is cleared. As a DPS you can generally tell where you stand by your rank on the enmity list. There isn't a need for exact numbers during the fight. I generally see parsers more often used by people trying to e-peen or using it to berate players that are below them on the parse.

This argument fails to hold up when Extremes, Savages, and Ultimates have hard enrages that bank on doing X amount of damage. Damage absolutely does matter—and no matter how much you want to say “it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter”, it does. Heck, it is the most important aspect of this game at this point when it comes to battle content, since everything else has been removed: healing requirements are laughable in all pieces of content at all levels, enmity management doesn’t exist anymore, resource management is slowly being deleted from the game, crowd control is virtually non-existent in PvE content. Even punishments for failed mechanics are non-existent until you get into Savage and Ultimate. And the former can still be struggle bus’d/limped through with a decent group.

It is funny to still see people insisting the enmity meter on the party list gives you any inkling of your overall contribution to a party, or is any substitute for an actual damage meter that gives you a number. I’m number one in enmity during a 24-man on WHM. Does that mean I’m also top DPS? In the average instance, I would wager not. If I actually am, then there are a lot more issues at play going on. Overhealing and healing in general contributes to enmity—you cannot use enmity as a measure of damage dealt when something like that or having tank stance enabled affects it.

It is an anecdote, but I have played this game for over six years. In all my time playing, I have seen one person “berate” another over damage a handful of times. It is certainly not a common practice; not in the way the anti-parser crowd always makes it out to be. Most of the time when people are berating, it’s not over damage and more so mechanic consistency.

Ironically, I’ve been on the receiving end of someone berating my damage when I was doing double theirs with Brink of Death. I was a BRD and they were a SAM—the content was Tsukuyomi EX when it first released. But I was the one accused of being the reason we hit enrage. Not the two melee DPS that I was massively out-damaging while having a 50% damage penalty.

And this isn’t to say I was even the one logging anything. Another individual in the group was and saw that. Of course, I couldn’t be defended out loud. Because even if that was mentioned in defense of me saying I wasn’t the issue, that would still be someone admitting to using a third-party tool. And this community is nothing if not petty, and would have reported on sight even if the information was delivered purely as a statement of fact and not in a toxic way. Sucks that you can’t even use it “for good” or to defend yourself when someone makes ignorant statements like the individuals in that party. I’ll never forget it due to the sheer irony of it.



People wield their ignorance as a weapon, and this thread is the epitome of this.

[Absurdity]

This argument fails to hold up when Extremes, Savages, and Ultimates have hard enrages that bank on doing X amount of damage. Damage absolutely does matter—and no matter how much you want to say “it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter”, it does. Heck, it is the most important aspect of this game at this point, since everything else has been removed: healing requirements are laughable in all pieces of content at all levels, enmity management doesn’t exist anymore, resource management is slowly being deleted from the game, crowd control is virtually non-existent in PvE content.

The argument doesn't just fall apart in extremes and up.

What if you're playing a tank? You'll always be either 1 or 2 in the enmity list and vastly ahead of everyone else, it doesn't tell you anything since they reworked tank stances.
What if everyone in your party is terrible? Being the 3rd highest in the enmity list doesn't mean your dps is good, it just means it's not quite as terrible as everyone else's.