Console Players don't need Addons

[MintnHoney]

My previous question of why would a player seeking more difficult content support and use addon tools not supported by the dev team that makes the content less so got no response.

Seems to me players care more about the credibility than the difficulty. Thoughts?

I believe the issue is that you're confused in your premise of what others are seeking and haven't bothered to take the time to really understand what's being sought after. They're not necessarily looking for difficulty; they're just looking for a certain level of engagement, which can be provided via many things, including difficulty.
Hell, if mods could provide that long sought-after engagement, I'd install that in a heartbeat.

[YukikoKurosawa]

you can get that information immediately via other methods, so that's a non argument

So then why do you need addons?

[Deedlit]

More people whining about content they will never even attempt.

[Bsrking5]

Lets go back to the stone age. Don't need AC, tv or electricity. Just a big pointy stick. Return to monkey

[Liam_Harper]

What's scary is the nonsense the OP is spouting is actually getting plenty of upvotes.

There's something wrong with the ff14 community tbh. While they love to ramble about filthy elitists and evil toxic WoW players, there's a sort of sneaky passive aggressive toxicity under the surface of some of the playerbase that's rather disturbing. Usually it involves belittling veteran players in whatever way they can while hiding behind the ToS as some sort of shield which they can use to stifle and dismiss opinions and throw scathing remarks out or gloat when the developers take their "side".

Meanwhile the veteran player is expected to carry them through content, smile and be nice even if they refuse to contribute and is banned from bringing up valid forms of proof of this, or proof if blamed for things that were not their fault.

It's tiresome. I mean, really. Good players who achieve things being accused of being handheld by addons by players who can barely scrape through leveling roulette, when all they want is to enjoy the game peacefully.

[Gemina]

I believe the issue is that you're confused in your premise of what others are seeking and haven't bothered to take the time to really understand what's being sought after. They're not necessarily looking for difficulty; they're just looking for a certain level of engagement, which can be provided via many things, including difficulty.
Hell, if mods could provide that long sought-after engagement, I'd install that in a heartbeat.

Wow. That sounds exactly like my argument when I would have to enlighten players seeking said engagement that engagement entails much more than just difficulty.

Now that difficulty and one button smash dancing is no longer the wards of engagement, we have shifted to needing tools not supported by the developers? Shift the goal posts much?

[YukikoKurosawa]

What's scary is the nonsense the OP is spouting is actually getting plenty of upvotes.

There's something wrong with the ff14 community tbh. While they love to ramble about filthy elitists and evil toxic WoW players, there's a sort of sneaky passive aggressive toxicity under the surface of some of the playerbase that's rather disturbing. Usually it involves belittling veteran players in whatever way they can while hiding behind the ToS as some sort of shield which they can use to stifle and dismiss opinions and throw scathing remarks out or gloat when the developers take their "side".

Meanwhile the veteran player is expected to carry them through content, smile and be nice even if they refuse to contribute and is banned from bringing up valid forms of proof of this, or proof if blamed for things that were not their fault.

It's tiresome. I mean, really. Good players who achieve things being accused of being handheld by addons by players who can barely scrape through leveling roulette, when all they want is to enjoy the game peacefully.

Not an argument.

They designed the content to be cleared without the need for third party tools. Console players do not have access to these tools so they need to be able to clear without them. And they do. So why do PC players need them?

[MintnHoney]

Wow. That sounds exactly like my argument when I would have to enlighten players seeking said engagement that engagement entails much more than just difficulty.

Now that difficulty and one button smash dancing is no longer the wards of engagement, we have shifted to needing tools not supported by the developers? Shift the goal posts much?

I think you need a break from trying so hard to undermine your peers.

You too, Yukiko.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Lets go back to the stone age. Don't need AC, tv or electricity. Just a big pointy stick. Return to monkey

What a disingenuous post, good god. The content is made to not require third party tools. The devs themselves clear them before releasing them. Console players are able to clear it just fine without these addons. Why the hell do you need them? You want to cheat because you don't want to put effort into the game but still want the prestige and rewards from that kind of content. If you could at least be honest about this I would have some semblence of respect for you guys. What I hate is how you gaslight about why you really want addons in the game. You just want to trivialize the content. You KNOW it is not necessary, but you don't want to put the effort into the game. Just fucking admit it and stop this fake victim complex and moral grandstanding.

[anhaato]

No one needs a personal housekeeper but it sure would be nice to have one.