Console Players don't need Addons

[YukikoKurosawa]

Needs vs wants.

You don't need them, but they do add certain QoL things that the devs have refused to do over the game's lifecycle. I don't use them but I understand why others do.

That's a good life lesson.

You don't have to agree with a stance, but you can attempt to understand it.

The point was console players are perfectly capable of clearing high end content up to and including ultimates without any third party tools to make things easier. So PC players have no excuse for needing such addons. It's time to just admit it's compensating for a lack of skill and situational awareness and not necessity.

[DezereDawn]

The point was console players are perfectly capable of clearing high end content up to and including ultimates without any third party tools to make things easier. So PC players have no excuse for needing such addons. It's time to just admit it's compensating for a lack of skill and situational awareness and not necessity.

or, or
Or

some people have standards that the game should at the bare minimum give the same amount of information that mmos from nearly 20 years ago gave them by default

Seriously, there's no getting around it, whether or not something is possible isn't the issue, the ui not displaying info that should be readily available is. no ifs, ands, or buts about it, there's no argument in the world that can convince me that buff timers in the party list is some sacrilege of gaming, or that seeing a shield on hp other than the party list is cheating (Lol?)

I'm glad the devs are looking into implementing things like this for the sole reason that console players deserve the same QOL that PC players can currently attain via plugins, but the snark they're giving to people for daring to have higher standards than them is just irritating.

[YukikoKurosawa]

or, or
Or

some people have standards that the game should at the bare minimum give the same amount of information that mmos from nearly 20 years ago gave them by default

Seriously, there's no getting around it, whether or not something is possible isn't the issue, the ui not displaying info that should be readily available is. no ifs, ands, or buts about it, there's no argument in the world that can convince me that buff timers in the party list is some sacrilege of gaming, or that seeing a shield on hp other than the party list is cheating (Lol?)

I'm glad the devs are looking into implementing things like this for the sole reason that console players deserve the same QOL that PC players can currently attain via plugins, but the snark they're giving to people for daring to have higher standards than them is just irritating.

What if

What if

They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?

[DezereDawn]

What if

What if

They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?

you can get that information immediately via other methods, so that's a non argument

Please actually come up with real ones instead of peddling your garbage.

[YukikoKurosawa]

you can get that information immediately via other methods, so that's a non argument

So then why do you need addons?

[GaiusDrakon]

What if

What if

They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?

That would be most unfortunate because then we wouldn't be aware that you actively shit on Ultimate clearers when you haven't even cleared the lower-tier said encounters

[SaltyDaddy]

What if

What if

They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?

No if. How exactly do you know that when you are not clearing any current content?

You bet console players would use all QoL PC gets. You just can't so console players gets salty. And that's the truth.

For example, you don't need to see chat bubbles to clear content. Players just want them. Etc.

[Burmecia]

"Console players do not have access to addons, but surely some of them would like to have (whether 1st or 3rd party)."

fixed it. what do you all like? : )

[YukikoKurosawa]

"Console players do not have access to addons, but surely some of them would like to have (whether 1st or 3rd party)."

fixed it. what do you all like? : )

And yet, they still clear the content just fine, content which is designed to be cleared without them in the first place.

What is the argument here, that it's too hard and you'd like it to be easier? You think the content is badly designed? Which is it?

[HyoMinPark]

And yet, they still clear the content just fine, content which is designed to be cleared without them in the first place.

What is the argument here, that it's too hard and you'd like it to be easier? You think the content is badly designed? Which is it?

Personally, I’d say the argument is that there is a severe lack of feedback provided by the game when it comes to mistakes and what went wrong during a pull, and some raiders enjoy having a tool that outlines all of these so that they can strive to rectify them and not repeat them. You certainly don’t need the extra feedback since you can just sort to ok’ trial and error and bash your head against the mechanic for a while—but I fail to see how it equates to cheating. It’s the same as saying “well you don’t need a calculator to solve this math problem, you can just do it the long and written-out way”! Neither is cheating: one is just more streamlined and provides faster results. I highly doubt anyone wants to sit down with a pen and paper and manually calculate damage in this game; so you don’t really have any high-ground to stand on arguing against a vanilla parser. It’s just a calculator.

Reviewing and reflecting on feedback insinuates a desire for personal growth.

I draw the line at some add-ons that hack in invisible AOE indicators to be visible and anything they automates gameplay (botting scripts), but something like a vanilla parser used with FFLogs or XIVAnalysis to analyze mistakes and promote progression isn’t cheating. It’s simply streamlined problem solving.


At the end of the day, you have expressed explicitly that you have no interest in the high-end. So my question to you is why do you care so much that you have been on this crusade for the past 24+ hours? This is content that you don’t participate in, have no plans to participate in, and has zero effect on you. So why do you care? Are you trying to insinuate/prove that console players are better than PC ones? How does that amount to anything productive to incite another “us versus them” war?