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    Needs vs wants.

    You don't need them, but they do add certain QoL things that the devs have refused to do over the game's lifecycle. I don't use them but I understand why others do.

    That's a good life lesson.

    You don't have to agree with a stance, but you can attempt to understand it.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Needs vs wants.

    You don't need them, but they do add certain QoL things that the devs have refused to do over the game's lifecycle. I don't use them but I understand why others do.

    That's a good life lesson.

    You don't have to agree with a stance, but you can attempt to understand it.
    The point was console players are perfectly capable of clearing high end content up to and including ultimates without any third party tools to make things easier. So PC players have no excuse for needing such addons. It's time to just admit it's compensating for a lack of skill and situational awareness and not necessity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    The point was console players are perfectly capable of clearing high end content up to and including ultimates without any third party tools to make things easier. So PC players have no excuse for needing such addons. It's time to just admit it's compensating for a lack of skill and situational awareness and not necessity.
    or, or
    Or

    some people have standards that the game should at the bare minimum give the same amount of information that mmos from nearly 20 years ago gave them by default

    Seriously, there's no getting around it, whether or not something is possible isn't the issue, the ui not displaying info that should be readily available is. no ifs, ands, or buts about it, there's no argument in the world that can convince me that buff timers in the party list is some sacrilege of gaming, or that seeing a shield on hp other than the party list is cheating (Lol?)

    I'm glad the devs are looking into implementing things like this for the sole reason that console players deserve the same QOL that PC players can currently attain via plugins, but the snark they're giving to people for daring to have higher standards than them is just irritating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DezereDawn View Post
    or, or
    Or

    some people have standards that the game should at the bare minimum give the same amount of information that mmos from nearly 20 years ago gave them by default

    Seriously, there's no getting around it, whether or not something is possible isn't the issue, the ui not displaying info that should be readily available is. no ifs, ands, or buts about it, there's no argument in the world that can convince me that buff timers in the party list is some sacrilege of gaming, or that seeing a shield on hp other than the party list is cheating (Lol?)

    I'm glad the devs are looking into implementing things like this for the sole reason that console players deserve the same QOL that PC players can currently attain via plugins, but the snark they're giving to people for daring to have higher standards than them is just irritating.
    What if

    What if

    They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    What if

    What if

    They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?
    you can get that information immediately via other methods, so that's a non argument

    Please actually come up with real ones instead of peddling your garbage.
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    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DezereDawn View Post
    you can get that information immediately via other methods, so that's a non argument
    So then why do you need addons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    What if

    What if

    They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?
    That would be most unfortunate because then we wouldn't be aware that you actively shit on Ultimate clearers when you haven't even cleared the lower-tier said encounters
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    What if

    What if

    They don't want you to have that information and have designed encounters entirely around you not having said information?
    No if. How exactly do you know that when you are not clearing any current content?

    You bet console players would use all QoL PC gets. You just can't so console players gets salty. And that's the truth.

    For example, you don't need to see chat bubbles to clear content. Players just want them. Etc.
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    "Console players do not have access to addons, but surely some of them would like to have (whether 1st or 3rd party)."

    fixed it. what do you all like? : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burmecia View Post
    "Console players do not have access to addons, but surely some of them would like to have (whether 1st or 3rd party)."

    fixed it. what do you all like? : )
    And yet, they still clear the content just fine, content which is designed to be cleared without them in the first place.

    What is the argument here, that it's too hard and you'd like it to be easier? You think the content is badly designed? Which is it?
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