Console Players don't need Addons

[Dakkon3]

You're right I haven't experienced endgame in FF14. I'm just extrapolating from the situation as it is in world of warcraft which is where I came from.

Perhaps the 14 community is more chill about this stuff and it won't go in that direction.

[Rilifane]

You're right I haven't experienced endgame in FF14. I'm just extrapolating from the situation as it is in world of warcraft which is where I came from.

Perhaps the 14 community is more chill about this stuff and it won't go in that direction.

With all due respect, you shouldn't make predictions for a community you have absolutely no experience with. Extrapolating from some other game that did things this other way is an approach which spreads a lot of misconceptions and prejudices.
And we already have enough of it with people stating that addons would play the game for us or that people are cheating their way through ultimate clears or that people who use ACT are toxic elitists and just want to yell and scream obsceneties at everyone.

Yes, there are things that should get the user banned the moment it is discovered like auto-targeting people below 50% HP on NIN in PvP and there is a very good reason you don't find these things on regular plugin sites like github because they make to filter the resources they provide and nobody here or in any other addon thread has ever condoned the use of these types of addons.
But acting like a countdown plugin that shows every second of a countdown from the start is somehow getting them an ultimate clear is ridiculous and ignorant.
And addons have been part of this game for many, many years. No static I've ever been in, from casual to hardcore, has ever required me to use any of those. As long as one person can upload logs for analysis it was enough and some statics don't even do that.

[KariTheFox]

It's funny people would bring up gearscore as the horrible, toxic thing that it was when that functionality is pretty much baked directly into ffxiv with ilvl. Along with the associated toxicity and exclusion that comes with it.

We've all seen those PF parties that ask for players to have 20 more points of ilvl than is necessary to clear EX content.

[MagicPeanut]

I've never really understood why people who game on PC feel the need to modify those games so much. I'd rather experience the game the way it was intended. However, in FFXIV's case, I wouldn't mind if the devs looked into some of the more popular addons and QoL stuff and attempt to add their own versions of them into the game. (Which seems like they'll be doing eventually, anyway.)

I've only ever dabbled here and there with raiding but it doesn't particularly suit my tastes. (Too many toxic and/or tryhard people. Made the whole experience completely unfun.) Of course, I'm fully against adding parsers into the game because it'll only encourage toxicity. I get that people will continue to use them anyway, but SE taking a firm stance against their usage is enough for me. Perhaps someday I'll get into raiding again (Hopefully with some irl friends) but for now, I think I'm good. :P

[Mosha]

I've never really understood why people who game on PC feel the need to modify those games so much. I'd rather experience the game the way it was intended. However, in FFXIV's case, I wouldn't mind if the devs looked into some of the more popular addons and QoL stuff and attempt to add their own versions of them into the game. (Which seems like they'll be doing eventually, anyway.)

I've only ever dabbled here and there with raiding but it doesn't particularly suit my tastes. (Too many toxic and/or tryhard people. Made the whole experience completely unfun.) Of course, I'm fully against adding parsers into the game because it'll only encourage toxicity. I get that people will continue to use them anyway, but SE taking a firm stance against their usage is enough for me. Perhaps someday I'll get into raiding again (Hopefully with some irl friends) but for now, I think I'm good. :P

I love how everyone who thinks parcers are just going to encourage toxicity also doesn't raid themselves.

[JudgeRAW]

I've never really understood why people who game on PC feel the need to modify those games so much. I'd rather experience the game the way it was intended. However, in FFXIV's case, I wouldn't mind if the devs looked into some of the more popular addons and QoL stuff and attempt to add their own versions of them into the game. (Which seems like they'll be doing eventually, anyway.)

I've only ever dabbled here and there with raiding but it doesn't particularly suit my tastes. (Too many toxic and/or tryhard people. Made the whole experience completely unfun.) Of course, I'm fully against adding parsers into the game because it'll only encourage toxicity. I get that people will continue to use them anyway, but SE taking a firm stance against their usage is enough for me. Perhaps someday I'll get into raiding again (Hopefully with some irl friends) but for now, I think I'm good. :P

Why is the stance SE takes on toxicity and harassment in general not enough though? I mean, when you think about it lets talk about what Yoshi-P said about in game harassment and stalking, being unable to remove yourself from someone else's friends list so they can see where you are, being unable to prevent some people from entering your house. He said he doesnt want to add such features because it might "hurt someone'es feelings." That is more important than someone being harassed and stalked in the game? This is just an example of where the devs AND YoshiP are just wrong. Think about how problematic that is compared to the supposed "toxicity" from players who use parsers (which I never see because apparently its ok to harass and stalk people but not ok to tell someone they are doing something wrong.)

[Wilford111]

As someone who plays on PC and never felt the need to install add-ons this whole hysteria is pretty hilarious.

[VirusOnline]

as a gamer it is hard for me to imagine playing a game and minding my own business
i must know you are playing the game unadultered as to not invalidate my experience and not pose a perceived risk to my casual play

[LisSquid]

It would be nice if SE actually took the QoL options of plugins and added them to the game for everyone.

Actually shocked it took this long for action to be taken against streamers, though.

[Rolder50]

It would be nice if SE actually took the QoL options of plugins and added them to the game for everyone.

Actually shocked it took this long for action to be taken against streamers, though.

There's actually an example of a QoL Mod that was added recently. You know how now things like orchestration rolls and minions show if you have them already or not in the tooltip? That was a mod for a couple years before it was an official feature. And the whole time the mod existed, SE was saying it was an impossible thing for the game to add. Before they added it anyway.

So safe to say I'm not confident about their ability to incorporate QoL changes in a timely manner.