Console Players don't need Addons

[Klytania]

Console Players dont have addons but they should, to have the same QoL benefits that those on PC provide. Again, this entire argument boils dont to "dont tell, dont show" and youre generally fine.

This whole nonsense is getting old when its perpetrated by the same parties who knew this rule previously (bar Pyromancer). People saying all should be banned is fine, but also have to realize that ACT isnt the only add-on in the game either and there is a lot of casual players who do use add-ons.

I agree, I wish console players could get addons, but because of the locked down nature of the platform, it won't happen

[Imora]

This reminds me of the bill of rights VS bill of needs argument.

Lol.

[Gameovers]

I'd use em if they were on PS5 >.> I like dsp meters cause I like improving.

[Dakkon3]

The trouble is that once addons are allowed and normalized you will not be raiding without them. At least not in most FC's, they will simply expect you to use them as not doing so means bringing down the performance of the group as a whole. The floor of entry will then require addons. For example, raiding in WoW without DBM is tantamount to trolling your guildmates.

This means console players will be more and more excluded from these activities.

Banning addons is the only option here to avoid their normalization and subsequent exclusion of a large portion of the playerbase from endgame.

[Droxybrobotnik]

The trouble is that once addons are allowed and normalized you will not be raiding without them. At least not in most FC's, they will simply expect you to use them as not doing so means bringing down the performance of the group as a whole. The floor of entry will then require addons. For example, raiding in WoW without DBM is tantamount to trolling your guildmates.

This means console players will be more and more excluded from these activities.

Banning addons is the only option here to avoid their normalization and subsequent exclusion of a large portion of the playerbase from endgame.

No, it is not. Addons have been normalized for a long time, and Square cannot do much about it since its all client side.

[KariTheFox]

The trouble is that once addons are allowed and normalized you will not be raiding without them. At least not in most FC's, they will simply expect you to use them as not doing so means bringing down the performance of the group as a whole. The floor of entry will then require addons. For example, raiding in WoW without DBM is tantamount to trolling your guildmates.

This means console players will be more and more excluded from these activities.

Banning addons is the only option here to avoid their normalization and subsequent exclusion of a large portion of the playerbase from endgame.

Plugins already exist, and most statics absolutely do not require the use of them beyond maybe one member running ACT for the purposes of logging.

[SaltyDaddy]

The trouble is that once addons are allowed and normalized you will not be raiding without them. At least not in most FC's, they will simply expect you to use them as not doing so means bringing down the performance of the group as a whole. The floor of entry will then require addons. For example, raiding in WoW without DBM is tantamount to trolling your guildmates.

This means console players will be more and more excluded from these activities.

Banning addons is the only option here to avoid their normalization and subsequent exclusion of a large portion of the playerbase from endgame.

Uuuh.... No? Why everyone speaks their mind talking about addons not even knowing what addons community use and what they do? People do not use cheats, duck the cheaters. Having UI improvements will not help you clear content better. Please, level your character first and get into raiding community. Then we can talk.

[HyoMinPark]

The trouble is that once addons are allowed and normalized you will not be raiding without them. At least not in most FC's, they will simply expect you to use them as not doing so means bringing down the performance of the group as a whole. The floor of entry will then require addons. For example, raiding in WoW without DBM is tantamount to trolling your guildmates.

This means console players will be more and more excluded from these activities.

Banning addons is the only option here to avoid their normalization and subsequent exclusion of a large portion of the playerbase from endgame.

These are all really hefty assumptions with no proof outside of you used to play another game that did things this way. Just because WoW was like that (I’m assuming, based off of your post—wouldn’t really know since I played WoW for a day back in 2007 and didn’t like it, so I never touched it again) doesn’t mean that FFXIV is like that. The communities for both games are already vastly different: it’s my understanding that WoW was more outright hostile/toxic where as FFXIV’s tends to be more passive aggressive with their toxicity. Just to name one attribute of each.

Parsers and damage meters have been a thing since ARR, which was almost 10 years ago. Other add-ons like Cactbot and Triggernometry have been in this game since Stormblood, which was 6~7 years ago. Same with cosmetic mods. They’ve always been a thing—it’s just now in light of DRU, they’re even more of A Thing due to one community’s love for creating witch-hunts against anything they deem wrong (5chan). Streamers showing them on their Twitch streams also isn’t anything new. The only new thing is they are talked about more now than they were when I first started over 6 years ago.

Console players aren’t excluded from anything. Most of the statics I’ve been in have been a mixture of PC and console players. All of the statics I’ve been in have no requirements outside of any performance requirements they might have. None have ever asked me to use any third-party program—not even ACT, which is likely one of the more common programs out there. And I’ve been in groups advertised as casual all the way to semi-hardcore. Maybe things are different in world progression/top speedkill groups, but even if they are, that is a very small portion of the raiding community. The majority of raiders don’t hold any such standards.

[QooEr]

i want to know what parallel universe these people live in. ive been in more than one hardcore static and none of them give a damn about what you have or dont have installed. the only thing they care about is that youre punctual and consistent with mechanics

[Renalt]

So why do you?

There is a clear difference between "need" and "want". Also console would be using them IF they could.