Console Players don't need Addons

[VirusOnline]

Imagine caring about parses in normal content. You assume I go into laughably easy content I've cleared numerous times over giving a remote fuck. Why don't you check how many times I died or failed mechanics, the only thing that actually matters in low end content.

And then after you do that, log off.

ey this wasn't about parsing in low end content
your entire argument hangs upon the pinnacle of "you're not supposed to see data"
when in fact that data has always been available - the combat log

the game has always been parsing you
does the bar chart make it worse ? xD

[Ransu]

I know, I'm just saying. Lets just not generalize people here in order to better your arguments.

I wasn't generalizing. Obviously the content is perfectly doable without 3rd party tools, but OP doesn't even do the content so in general his opinion is meaningless. The 3rd party tools don't even give any real major advantages from what I've seen. Its just a bunch of QoL stuff that should be in the game already like timers on the buffs/debuffs on the party list.

As a DPS you can generally tell where you stand by your rank on the enmity list. There isn't a need for exact numbers during the fight. I generally see parsers more often used by people trying to e-peen or using it to berate players that are below them on the parse.

1.) WTF? No you can't. I'm ALWAYS high in the enmity list right behind the tank in my static....but I also play samurai so of course I'm going to be way up that list compared to say the MCH in my static. The doesn't mean the MCH is doing bad DPS, but that is NOT a good gauge to see if you're doing well or not considering no matter how good a MCH player is they are never going to match the output of a SAM.

2.) I've never seen anyone ever in this game utilize parsers to berate players in this game. I know that's a stigma from WoW, but that just isn't a thing here because unlike WoW, players in FFXIV are actually afraid of the GM's. If you mention someones DPS in game you WILL get a suspension for harassment.

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I used to play FFXI. Anyone familiar with that game knows about Windower

Wow that brings back some memories. I used to use windower just because FFXI was weird and would straight up close the game if you alt tabbed. If you didn't close out any of your instant messengers before starting up FFXI....you were very brave lmao. It only took one person to send you a message and ruin your day as the instant messenger box comes to the front of the screen and causing FFXI to close. Enjoy that 20 minute process of logging back in lmao.

[MediArgentum]

"The game is unplayable without mods"
"Discord is technically a 3rd party tool"
"GShade and Chat Bubbles are just QoL addons, therefore literally every other addon/plugin, including things like Cactbot, is just a QoL thing too"

and 1001 other ways you can pretend to have no brain.

[SwingLifeAway]

"GShade and Chat Bubbles are just QoL addons, therefore literally every other addon/plugin, including things like Cactbot, is just a QoL thing too"

and 1001 other ways you can pretend to have no brain.

Are paraphrasing and misconstruing arguments included in those 1001 ways? Asking for a friend.

[Lufir]

"The game is unplayable without mods"
"Discord is technically a 3rd party tool"
"GShade and Chat Bubbles are just QoL addons, therefore literally every other addon/plugin, including things like Cactbot, is just a QoL thing too"

and 1001 other ways you can pretend to have no brain.

So true lol. Too many people trying to RP as an attorney with these takes.

[Padudu]

"The game is unplayable without mods"
"Discord is technically a 3rd party tool"
"GShade and Chat Bubbles are just QoL addons, therefore literally every other addon/plugin, including things like Cactbot, is just a QoL thing too"

and 1001 other ways you can pretend to have no brain.

So tell me how is plugins like BDTH or gpose not breaking the ToS? Especially BDTH where you can sink/float furniture beyond what the game normally allows you to?

Dude. You can glitch furniture ingame to achieve enough things BDTH makes easier to the point that its virtually impossible to tell if it was even involved.

I hit my government allotted post limit, but you can absolutely sink/float furniture beyond the normal limits and it is absolutely easy to tell if you've played with housing before. In fact, when using the plugin people tell you not to be obvious about it because people will report you for it. It is one of the plugins that come VERY close to breaking the ToS if it doesn't already. So again tell me how it's not cheating, after all many housers don't use BDTH to make their houses look great.

[Droxybrobotnik]

Dude. You can glitch furniture ingame to achieve enough things BDTH makes easier to the point that its virtually impossible to tell if it was even involved.

[MediArgentum]

So tell me how is plugins like BDTH not breaking the ToS?

They do. All plugins break ToS. Innocent QoL plugins included. However, despite of this, innocent QoL plugins like GShade and Chat Bubble aren't a problem. I don't know about this BDTH, so I can't tell you how innocent that one is or isn't.

Core of the big problem in this whole situation here is: plugins that interface with the game data and decrease the difficulty of the content (of dungeons, trials or raids) by doing so.

So let us drop these "It's just nice QoL features" argument, because, yes, we already know that. Plugins that just fall into this "Nice QoL features" category aren't a real problem (yes, they still break ToS but most likely you won't be banned for it). Real problem is that other category I've described above in bold text. Re-read it again, to let it sink in.

[Myrasil]

They do. All plugins break ToS. Innocent QoL plugins included. However, despite of this, innocent QoL plugins like GShade and Chat Bubble aren't a problem. I don't know about this BDTH, so I can't tell you how innocent that one is or isn't.

Core of the big problem in this whole situation here is: plugins that interface with the game data and decrease the difficulty of the content (of dungeons, trials or raids) by doing so.

So let us drop these "It's just nice QoL features" argument, because, yes, we already know that. Plugins that just fall into this "Nice QoL features" category aren't a real problem (yes, they still break ToS but most likely you won't be banned for it). Real problem is that other category I've described above in bold text. Re-read it again, to let it sink in.

Can you say with addons are you talking about and elaborate why they decrese dificulty?

[Veranolth]

Do they don't need them or they have people using them and then giving call out through discord benefiting from said 3rd party tools while pretending they can clear without addon.

One of our best players in my FC plays on their PS5 and they do the callouts.