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    Console Players don't need Addons

    So why do you?
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    But who asked?
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    Needs vs wants.

    You don't need them, but they do add certain QoL things that the devs have refused to do over the game's lifecycle. I don't use them but I understand why others do.

    That's a good life lesson.

    You don't have to agree with a stance, but you can attempt to understand it.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva View Post
    But who asked?
    I asked.

    /10 chars
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    I asked.

    /10 chars
    Console Players don't need Addons
    I don't think you should speak for others.
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    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Needs vs wants.

    You don't need them, but they do add certain QoL things that the devs have refused to do over the game's lifecycle. I don't use them but I understand why others do.

    That's a good life lesson.

    You don't have to agree with a stance, but you can attempt to understand it.
    The point was console players are perfectly capable of clearing high end content up to and including ultimates without any third party tools to make things easier. So PC players have no excuse for needing such addons. It's time to just admit it's compensating for a lack of skill and situational awareness and not necessity.
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    I shudder everytime I read one of your posts. I truly do.

    That said, I will say this for 3rd Party add-ons:

    - UI/Non game interfering mods = Who gives a rats? If someone wants their UI to have KH themes how does that matter?

    - Intrusive game altering addons = No bueno. The button collapsar that replaces your combo with the next step auto style is a distinct gameplay advantage.

    PC will literally always have the advantage over console due to mods of various sorts though. Not exactly new, nor something you don't know as a console player going in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Advantage is fair if you're willing to do something that most others aren't.

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    Do they don't need them or they have people using them and then giving call out through discord benefiting from said 3rd party tools while pretending they can clear without addon.
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    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva View Post
    I don't think you should speak for others.
    Not an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    The point was console players are perfectly capable of clearing high end content up to and including ultimates without any third party tools to make things easier. So PC players have no excuse for needing such addons. It's time to just admit it's compensating for a lack of skill and situational awareness and not necessity.
    or, or
    Or

    some people have standards that the game should at the bare minimum give the same amount of information that mmos from nearly 20 years ago gave them by default

    Seriously, there's no getting around it, whether or not something is possible isn't the issue, the ui not displaying info that should be readily available is. no ifs, ands, or buts about it, there's no argument in the world that can convince me that buff timers in the party list is some sacrilege of gaming, or that seeing a shield on hp other than the party list is cheating (Lol?)

    I'm glad the devs are looking into implementing things like this for the sole reason that console players deserve the same QOL that PC players can currently attain via plugins, but the snark they're giving to people for daring to have higher standards than them is just irritating.
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